ASSESSING YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN IN MINISTRY..ARE WE SEEING MINISTRY CHRISTIAN BABYLON?

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ARE WE GETTING BIG GLIMPSES OF MINISTRY BABYLON?

ASSESSING YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN MINISTRY LIFE

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ABOVE: Modern Day Rending of Apostolic Ministry Garments

PREFACE: About 1995, while I was hosting my Richmond, VA area ministry prayer group, an area lawyer, who was a prophet, submitted a vision which God had given him. I submit the following, given by John Chenault. (whom I briefly barely knew and whom I saw 2 perhaps 3 total times… and have not seen since.Yet the vision he described remained deeply etched within my spirit)

“God showed me a big ocean. On the ocean were many casino boats and many party boats, They were all lit up and you could see great numbers of people were on them, partying,celebrating, making lots of music, noise… having a big happy time. Yet, God revealed that these were CHURCHES.”

 

And this writer has now lived to witness this vision …not every where yet in part..and maybe quite a large definite area part.. .

 

ALONG about the same time (maybe 1996-98) I recall noting a tiny book advertised in then (print only, and now online) Charisma Magazine, It was only $2.95 and I wish that I had ordered it, but as a stay at home mother, gave many piano lessons and in area ministry , however, I still deliberated any extra spending. Yet I do recall closely reading the ad and therein noted: It was by Bob Buess. And it stated that “the spirit of entertainment and fantasy would come attack the Church.” (Note: I had previously read Rev. Buess’ tiny mini book on THE BLESSING OF GOD’S FAVOR (or similar title, having to do with FAVOR) and it was to me, personally life transforming. Therefore I respected his would be message)

 

This She has lived to confirm each of these prophecies and now submits the following:

 

Psalm 137 King James Version (KJV)

137 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

2 We hanged our harps upon the willows in the midst thereof.

3 For there they that carried us away captive required of us a song; and they that wasted us required of us mirth, saying, Sing us one of the songs of Zion.

4 How shall we sing the Lord’s song in a strange land?

5 If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand forget her cunning.

6 If I do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth; if I prefer not Jerusalem above my chief joy.

7 Remember, O Lord, the children of Edom in the day of Jerusalem; who said, Rase it, rase it, even to the foundation thereof.

8 O daughter of Babylon, who art to be destroyed; happy shall he be, that rewardeth thee as thou hast served us.

9 Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

LEADER ASKING… Q. COULD there ever be at least a little, big PART, even a CROSS CURRENT of Christian pioneering “YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN ” ministry which assessed, recurringly brings to mind a Babylonian seeming FRUIT?

 

Yet, I shall not name or regard ANY ONE particular brand, famous name or KIND as “resembling an Ego Supremely based, and/or Making Mammon Key Centric…but rather would submit (being especially kind) to each and every reader for YOU, THEM to inquire after the Lord and other leader assess..yet also to not fail to allow God’s Holy Spirit to assist in SELF REVIEW, SELF ASSESSMENT and /or SELF ongoing True Inspection.

 

MARKS OF APOSTOLIC MINISTRY BABYLON ...Lost First Real LOVE ….as in Relationships are less a priority than achievement, income, status, leader, ministry presentation and building…ongoing accomplishments, etc.

 

MAMMON CENTRIC TRUE BABYLON further more USES others for the main purposes of GENERATION, REPLICATING and PRODUCING more money, income.

 

HALLMARKS OF THE HISTORICAL BIBLE PORTRAYAL BABYLON: whorish, form of a prostitute, will even go to great lengths to get ahead, get it’s way, even if it means using betrayal, forms of relationship abuse, accusation and/or manipulation ,(even demeaning violence) to make sure it gets what IT really wants..to It’s Very Own Special- Self Preserve…or even subtly ….be devious, apply real undue pressure, coerce ….in order to have it’s OWN WAY….

 

And the assessed legendary Bible WHORE could also use debauchery but also simply cunning, flashing lights, “holy ” smoke and mirrors…even bells and whistles, and sly forms of true seduction……

 

A TEST: A simple test to see if one is LICENTIOUS (ANOTHER PERSON TYPE OF USER, A LEADER, ELDER, LAY, OFFICE WHO IS GREASY IN THE GRACE) even LASCIVIOUS (sexual predator, another person sly USER) ….MEANING…You really want to Assess the behavior and how it regards (respects,truly honors, righteously edifies, OR ELSE demeans or abuses, uses, or robs, subtly cons ) ANOTHER HUMAN PERSON which also is the exact same as ” THE IMPLIED GOD GIVEN RELATIONSHIP.”

AND since MONEY and PRESERVING INCOME is a big real ongoing need…the BABYLON MINISTER might also veil God’s Whole non PC Truth, as in weaken and/or hold back from full Bible truth sincere teaching and thus manipulate or only speak PART of Bible many truths……Meaning it may us PC, human, self, other pleasing with which to lower itself to woo, to win, to gain financial donations, and may employ Bible compromise to not offend, unduly turn off donors….

 

WE NEED TO SELF ASSESS any potentially self pleasing fruits of compromise, lowering standards from the Holy Fear of the Eternal God Only Pleasing Standard, to a lesser “g”god of APPEARANCE, STATUS, MATERIALISM, SHOWMANSHIP and ACQUISITION…which all are to the determent of all First Love, Equal Opportunity Fully accepting, really Respecting RELATIONSHIPS.

ABIDING, ENDURING JAMES 3:17 “The wisdom that comes from above is first of all pure, peaceable, easily entreated, full of mercy and good fruit,(Gal 5:22-23) without partiality and without hypocrisy.”

TOP PRIORITIZING JAMES 3:17 INTERACTIVE MULTICULTURAL FRUIT IN ALL ABIDING RELATIONSHIPS …with other than MONEY are THE big discernment , assessment KEY

  • THE GOD STANDARD “all personal, family, ministry, fellowship,society RELATIONSHIPS and the Ephesians 4 Common Doctrinal COMMUNITY about which Apostle Paul describes and first lists the 5 fold ministry church offices

 

  • A NEW GOD STANDARD: Abiding humility amidst the clearly discerned, abiding “holy fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom (Read Proverbs 2:1-5 for a HOW TO ACQUIRE IT)

 

YE OLDE BIBLE FELLOWSHIPS

 

  • NEW OLD TIMEY GOD STANDARD abiding Holy Spirit dwelling church, congregation: Similar to a NON LEGALISTIC Hebrews 10;25 yet representing the Sabbath rest Safe Sanctuary of God’s Community as in HISTORICAL ISAIAH 56:7 diverse multicultural “revealing God’s present real time, ongoing prophetic, realistic WORD.

 

  • APOSTOLIC ISAIAH 56:7 “Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.”

 

  • NOTE: WE EXPOUND ISAIAH 56: 7 Fellowship fruit..(in Isaiah 56 context, ALL types, races, styles of human persons who carve out time to come to worship God in a Sabbath rest ..will be privy to each and every single one of these blessings…

 

  • “I will bring them to my Holy Mountain: .Abiding moves of apostolic ministry rivers of REVELATION, personal and overall.. .much like Exodus when the Spirit took Moses to the Mountain for the Holy Spirit download of the 10 (TEN-der Commandments…to GUARD, GUIDE, GOVERN ALL HUMAN, GOD RELATIONSHIPS) COMMANDMENTS

 

  • “Relationship” Fellowship first and foremost, with a holy reverence and waiting for, a blessed ability to DISCERN and PERCEIVE a, the “REVEALED WORD” from the Lord

 

  • (I) will make them JOYFUL in my house of prayer: times of prayer, seasons of God called intercession and/or even making it a God called practice…and also in servant ministry …the work for the Lord will bring each one of them delight and joy and will not be regarded as a chore!

 

  • “their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar” Meaning in part, all of their many kinds of sacrificial gifts, duties and /or offering, as well as PHD’S (Pretty Hard, Exceeding Difficult, Days) will be regarded and fully made acceptable and honorable as unto the Most High God

 

 

  • “for mine house shall be called an house of prayer” God’s house will be easily recognized as a reverential, deeply insightful, safe place for ongoing ministry of prayer and intercession which compares to a Club, Clique or Place to Show up to be recognized, to get Business Success, etc

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  • for mine house shall be a house ….for all people.” All races, colors, styles, nations, tribes of “made in God’s own image human persons.” It will demonstrate Abiding James 3:17 Equal Opportunity REAL RESPECT for all kinds of human people, even regardless of political party and/or appearance, The Bible trains against “the respecter of (only SOME) persons spirit” in both the Old Testament and New, so according to both of those Scriptures, Father God would not want ANY demeaning bias, bigotry, racism, agism, classism, genderism etc in any one of His Holy Spirit commissioned mega or micro houses.


I TIMOTHY 6:5 might fit the apostolic description the Babylonian micro or mega pioneering ministry “

 

“Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.”

(I.E. They say “unless you DO NOT have big income, do NOT own, make, display grand amounts of money, income, business achievement, big success ..then we don’t believe that God has BLESSED YOU”)

Yet the Bible says, “from such turn away” …

 

MAIN POINT: it does not teach against BIG APPEARANCES, WEALTH, OWNING MANY POSSESSIONS or big high BUSINESS OR MINISTRY ACHIEVEMENT (God used King Solomon to prove that)…YET I Timothy 1 6:5 says other important abiding RELATIONSHIP traits which INCLUDE the “We don’t accept YOU as ‘God truly blessed “UNLESS, UNTIL you have MONEY to show it”

 

AND DFW LEADER, TCL apostolic definition of “TRUE BIBLE PROSPERITY ” is “whatever GOD and a clean conscience tells YOU to have, try to earn, own, live in and /or drive” ..it’s none of anyone else’s or ministries BUSINESS …

YET try to always make sure that your, my , our hearts are fully free from materialism, greed, lust for other things, covetousness, or superior pride, etc

FRANKLY, it‘s none of our , my , your own business WHAT ANYONE ELSE has.

 

AFTER BEING IMMERSED IN TV FALLOUT, GRASS ROOTS MINISTRY…for well over 25 plus years…I personally really believe it’s HEALTHY, WISE, plus SMART for a minister, to NOT display flagrant displays of wealth, jewels, enormous possession, own stables of autos, overly grand (Show Biz) Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous.

 

HOWEVER, whatever YOU choose along with GOD is YOUR OWN BUSINESS for HE will hold YOU accountable and ME accountable for what I spend, own, have, display..etc.

 

AN ASIDE… Further more NO POSSESSION, STYLE, HOUSE, LAND, CHRISTIAN MINISTRY, or ITEM, PERSONAL FAMILY, SPIRITUAL PEDIGREE, PERCEIVED OFFICE, TITLE, EDUCATION, TALENT, MINISTRY GIFT ..or LACK THEREOF… should be the “Source of Esteem”..it must be ONLY Christ.

WE NEED TO ALWAYS ONGOING ASSESS but not lower our calling to LABEL, MINISTRY ACCUSE.

 

A SPIRIT OF BABYLON comes from within each HEART…or else not.

 

And if that “warped deep down wanting to be in control” anti (the relationship chiefly prioritizing ,still humble)Christ , unyielded aristocratic leader spirit it affects, infects and latches on to any ministry, group or move, micro to mega..it will ongoing produce a legalistic System which accuses any who refuse to bow down and to conform. And when I’ve encountered all of this…AN RECURRING MINISTRY ASSESSMENT ..trading making ministry money is usually deeply and almost always involved. As well as the sheer numbers of dutiful performing real living persons, many of which are being pressured and some even greatly USED.

 

 

FROM WHENCE does the Old Testament but also the modern day NEW TESTAMENT overseer accuser Phariseeism originate? Calling out area suspected “non church attenders” rabid (attempting to possess) overly strict, rigid denominationalism, NON denominationalism….to the accusing of fellow believers (sin spying as ) “church hoppers” and/or “unsubmitted” and/or “spiritual turf protecting? I would submit, from the top leaders desire to preserve their own personal, ministry income(NOTE: which I take absolutely NONE..to even this persons own NEED)

Submitted as Intentional Though Provoking USA Born Again Ye Must Attend A Church Non Self Righteous Assessing Submitted Selah

 

 

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