DISCERNING TRUE FROM FALSE IN SR MINISTRY

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APOSTOLIC LEADERSHIP: DISCERNING TRUE FROM FALSE IN SENIOR OFFICE MINISTRY

WRITER’S NOTE: MAY THIS APOSTOLIC LEADER SUBMITTED SELAH assist Jesus leaders  avoid all ministry inaccurate representations of His Good Name. And may it help make God’s House a safe, special place of refuge, Holy Spirit welcoming acceptance, organic apostolic Bible edification and pure instruction.

And may this message assist ALL in making clear, Godly , accurate discernment righteous judgments. Dr. Taveau D’Arcy, IFFM senior pioneering founder

The GOOD NEWS is that NOBODY has to remain a false chief apostle, leader office. Simply prayerfully adjust your doctrine, your life style and what’s deep inside your mind and heart.” Dr.T

THE ONLY 100 % PERFECTLY TRUE CHIEF APOSTLE IS JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF. The only thing that the rest of us can do is submit fully to His Holy Bible, to maintain a First Love Lampstand Lifestyle, and then to submit to  pleasing HIM rather than ourselves or any others, while moment by moment, relying on His supernatural free staying power, while drawing upon His  free undesired survival grace.

SIMPLE AS THIS: It’s not how fall  we’ve all fallen, how many mistakes we have each made:  it’s how fast we get up and take Jesus at His Word that we are truly forgiven, but that He expects us to really make needed changes

FIRST:

While the writer may make some  up front, candid leader major direct points, she is simply submitting this to YOU. It is not intended to be considered as  DOGMA, but as a  SELAH,  in abiding James 3:17 form, (see verse mentioned beneath)

AND IF any main point creates uneasiness, then the writer, simply states:”only if any shoe fits, only then should any reader wear it.”

The pithy comments are based on the absence of true enduring SPIRITUAL BIBLE WHOLE COUNSEL PIONEERING LEADER FRUIT in the entire grass roots land. They are based on her own personal senior ministry pioneering experiences when God’s Spirit led her about the east coast, from Pennsylvania t0 Florida, up to Tulsa, OK, now into the deep southwest. (for 27 years).

And it was during that specific time when the writer noted the new addition of spiritual fathering, authority doctrines but also the great affect of Western Mass Media, and the pop culture on 5 fold pioneering sr and junior leaders. Her own self included.

So now, after carefully researching, doing her own repeated self introspection, and seeking differing wise spiritual counsel through the many years, from relatives who were pastors, many pastor friends, relationships, and board members, she now senses that it is God’s timing to release a bit of her many deep south findings.

And the writer honors, blesses and respects all of the pioneering prior and many present day honorable chief apostles, who each have the solemn, fear of the Lord, love their wife and are a good uncompromising Bible yielded character witness.
So NONE of what this writer (IFFM chief apostle) has to say has to do with them (top high national chief movement top founder leader). While this message is a SELAH for any…it is based upon the repeated spiritual fruits, and ministry fall out of basically her own ministry grass roots prophetic seeking apostolic ministry peers and fellow local leaders. And she is more than willing to let the Lord her board, her family circle, up front confront her, Bible respectfully reprove her, whenever He feels any big need.

We EXAMINE: when is a Bible teacher, prophet, apostle, minister, a TRUE PROPHET who is omitting part of the Bible as compared to when is a Bible teacher, prophet, apostle, minister to be regarded as a FALSE PROPHET, FALSE TEACHER, FALSE APOSTLE due to hardness of heart, unreprovable, obstinate, and even reprobate.

BUT HOW does one tell???

And mind you, there are so many critical accusers at every turn. So this writer is NOT attempting to enable the ACCUSER but rather resemble the DISCERNER REPROVER the Messiah who at the direction of His Father walked into the temple and tossed over the temple money maker’s tables…even when He understood it would make him and even his family get blamed and accused for “being in rebellion” and “out from under spiritual authority.” (or using ministry modern pet lingo: Jesus must’ve had big UNFORGIVENESS BAGGAGE or perhaps a BITTER ROOT ACCUSATIVE JUDGEMENT against the  temple leaders…)

Yet, Jesus knew who His Father truly was….and who the religious Phariseeical Ever Nosey System was also.

“The zeal for my Father”s house has consumed me.” John 2:17

(AND SO IT IS FOR THIS PASTOR’S DAUGHTER, THE NON JUDGING NON LEGALISTIC WRITER!)

MAIN POINT: There are many GREAT 5 fold office and junior 5 fold Wannabes, to tell who is TRUE and FALSE one must use accurate, God directed DISCERNMENT.

• We must base the DISCERNMENT on what the Bible says (meaning about the FRUITS, other character, relationship, ministry verses) AND be guided by the HOLY SPIRIT “inward witness.”
• To fully KNOW any minister, person one must INTERACT, not just casually but often, even up close. Otherwise, resembling the ACCUSER who “believes the evil report” or “rumor” would not  bear  100 percent valid Bible character witness that resembles the NON Accuser The MESSIAH (Jesus Christ) of Isaiah 11:3,
• And shall make him (Messiah) of quick understanding** (meaning the 7 flaming spirits of the Living Holy Father God mentioned in the prior verse)  in the fear of theLord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears.” 
• “Know those who labor among you.” I Thessalonians 5:12 
• “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits.” Matthew 7:15-17
• “But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, long-suffering, charity, patience” 2 Timothy 3:10 Apostle Paul

THE FOLLOWING OUGHT NOT, BUT MAY APPLY, TO DISCERNING AN APOSTOLIC PIONEERING SR/JR MINISTRY:

“This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.For men(and women) shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.”  2 Timothy 3:1-5 **
**IFFM: even implies leave off fellowshipping and/or being “under” any of them

ALL OF THE ABOVE BIBLE VERSES ARE (partially) VALID FOR PROPER DISCERNMENT, EVALUATING APOSTOLIC, 5 FOLD SENIOR, RISING, ALL MINISTRY, PERSONS,  LAY CALLED PERSONS.

SECOND PART:

“KNOWING” ANOTHER MINISTER, LAMPSTAND, PERSON

Then when you INTERACT in an ongoing fashion, such as attend, even join a ministry, local church or pastor’s fellowship, the writer submits that the following Bible verses can serve as a GIANT LITMUS TEST in determining REAL from accusative and potentially FALSE.

AND the writer submits that if ministry , leader situations arise which pertain to honor, relationships, apostolic pioneering senior ministry, but are AVOIDED, then God can help us avoid being misled, swindled or used, manipulated, abused and completely disrespected by some or all of these.

YET, due to so many rabidly RELIGIOUS ACCUSER self styled JUDGES, the writer states, that “for all have repeatedly sinned and fallen short of God’s glory”**

(**the entire world, every single senior/rising minister, this writer included) that ANY PERSON who fails, fails, short leader 100 percent PERFECTION is simply par for the Fallen Human Course..and ought to be FORGIVEN…)

AND THIS 1, 2, 3 plus times human mistakes are NOT what the writer  describing here. RATHER is is over a period of TIME, long term everyday spiritual true fruit which we need to review as valid  and enduring, edifying or toxic, demeaning, enabling the accuser or USING.

And leader repeated accuser, avoidance, overbearing, need to be exalted, and many MORE…are what the writer regards as very possible signals even possible RED FLAG of stubborn superiority even ministry rebellion to all of or even great portions of God’s Holy Bible Word.

This would be leader spiritual fruit that be discerned as “rebellious” or “out of true spiritual authority.” (reminder, NOT addressing human errors, immaturity, but CALLOUS, BLATANT, REPEATED, HARDENED)

Today many senior infantile  leaders are too ready to accuse,  to lable, to name many OTHERS as “in rebellion” “out from UNDER spiritual authority” based on demeanor rather than INTERACTION or following Matthew 18:15-18 proper Bible protocol, even respectful, humble ministry professionalism.

Yet, to accuse, judge, spread rumors about or name others as “undermining witches” or “false” to any other person, without  interacting, in above Matthew 18:15 fashion, is truly (actually, very oddly) IN REBELLION to, by AVOIDING to yield to God’s WORD.

AND very (very)  ironically, I Samuel 15:23 “Rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft and stubborness as of worshipping idols.”

Therefore IFFM purports that this often quoted favorite of senior ministers must be equally applied to ones on both sides of every pulpit aisle.

 POINT

When a Bible teacher, senior pastor, minister, junior minister selectively CHOOSES only to follow, apply, to yield to, to wholly submit to, to in fact OBEY only for example “happy, bless me, positive, non other centered, realistic verses” one can gradually slide from producing WHOLE SPIRITUAL FRUIT in the congregation.

One will start to reproduce SELF SEEKING, ME/MY CENTERED and gradually the entire fellowship can turn inward on itself, and the pure in heart will avoid coming, but the Esau hireling mass produced media ravening jackals and wolves will begin to flock there, feeding on their own need for SELF GLORY, SELF ACHIEVEMENT, SELF, SELF, SELF, and MINISTRY CHIEF SELF.

Ministry immature, equally infantile, selfish Wannabes and giant crops of self seeking Boanerges will reproduce. The false plastic non organic Bible, non realistic fake phoney spiritual fruit will use other of God’s own pure hearted ministry, lay SHEEP, even the least of these: the poor, widowed, single, orphan. (as we have seen historically repeat itself, even up to this same indifferent self righteous leader hour)

Submitted Selah.

AGAIN: We are not trying to raise up SUSPICIOUS GOODY GOODY RELIGIOUS SIN SPIERS (more than enough of those already exist) NO! We are saying “repeatedly, coldly, willfully, obstinately, SELF ENTITLED, maybe REPROBATE or (again) submitted ONLY to the parts of the Bible that SUIT THEM…..this is what the writer attempts to discuss.

Once again:  ALL OF GOD’S HUMAN PEOPLE WILL MAKE MISTAKES.

Or to share a recent TWEET:

“The GOOD NEWS: For ALL have sinned and fallen short of God’s glory: EVERY HUMAN!
The BAD NEWS: Too many of God’s won people are unwilling to admit it.

THE FOLLOWING IS A SUBMITTED LIST by which to check (meaning in a longer term /interactive basis) for Apostolic Leader Remaining True Fruit:

Once more, the CRITERIA is : do they repeatedly, during the wear and tears of interacting, give off the MIXTURE  MINISTER FRUIT: Not 100 percent Bible Organic /100 percent True Untrue /even caustic, toxic, accuser /demeaning /manipulative or disrespectful impure phoney, plastic ,insincere fruit which would reveal their own core hearts to be RELIGIOUS, TOUGHENED, ENTITLED, SUPERIOR.

ONCE AGAIN: producing fruit as the EVIDENCE that they secretly, unknowingly, see themselves as SUPERIOR, OVER ALL OTHERS but even worse: now viewing themselves as having ARRIVED…and thus NOT NEEDING TO obey, to yield to ALL PARTS of God’s New Testament, non Levitical Word.

When this style of senior ministry is in oversight, one must pray, but then see if they line up with 2 Timothy 2:3-5 (see above) and if so, submit to God’s command to flee “from such turn away.”

A BIBLE SCRIPTURE APOSTOLIC MINISTRY RESOURCE LIST:

NOTE: While we understand that this is NOT conclusive, the writer submits the following list of RELATIONSHIP Bible verses as a RESOURCE for discerning and perceiving persons who present themselves as any LEADER, who would then be given YOUR PERMISSION to speak into YOUR one and only LIFE…plus by submitting to them spiritually, emotionally, whatever they CARRY (good, well intentioned, accuser very bad) will also transfer based on “the anointing flows from the head.”etc

Isaiah 11: 3 Resemble the MESSIAH rather than THE Suspicious ACCUSER And shall make him (Messiah) of quick understanding in the fear of theLord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears.

Proverbs 1:7  “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom” (minus the fear of the Lord, it’s the beginning of _______?)

NOTE: To train others to produce pure FRUIT of the  FEAR OF THE LORD, Proverbs 2:1-5

“If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.” 2 Chronicles 7:14 **

**To prove to Pop culture ministry that God still does this in NEW TESTAMENT days, we must prove by listing (as they most are in denial, as it takes precious time and they claim “I am the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus then artfully move quickly away)

SUCH AS:
James 4;10 “humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord”, The days of Ananais and Sapphira (judgement, very holy fear of the Lord sober, not into BLESS US)

MATTHEW 18:15 Upfront Bible respectful confrontation, NON attack, does not mean to see someone out in a public setting, then go over there and loudly accuse, jump them, attack, as this writer has experienced 3-4 times in different witch spying, dark demon focused but otherwise good groups… (being merciful…)

Apostolic Leader direct, presumptive, respecting Matthew 18:15-18:

“Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.“**
** while this writer has tried repeatedly to address big ministry issues using this Matthew 18:15-18. but was repeatedly lampstand withstood, she went 1-1, then repeatedly tried to enlist lampstand “others’ to assist her in respectful Bible confronting’ but was again avoided, 3 different ministry leader times (over 2- 3 years)repeatedly DUCKED, then she believed God was revealing to her about a MISSING MINISTRY PRINCIPAL plus giving more evidence that BUSY LOST FIRST LOVE OVER ACHIEVING APOSTOLIC LAMP STANDS SACRIFICE GOD’S PEOPLE FOR MINISTRY BUSINESS.  (MAIN LEADER POINT)

Hence , in teaching on this topic, the non-achievement “revealed by granted ongoing God’s Grace”  now raises this issue to the Church.

And has relocated far above religion, accuser legalism, to now sow to points UPWARD…heavenward…in the IFFM  Online DFW LOF First Love, Real Relationship “Philadelphian  Rev 3 Love Walk” real time REVEALED, DOWNLOADED move of the Holy Spirit.

2 Timothy 3:16 “ All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,** for correction, for instruction in righteousness” ** modern Pop Culture ministry mistakes any type of reproof as “being mean, critical, even proud contentious, divisive…hence the need for correction/much more about this..)

JAMES 2:9 “But if you have respect of persons,(discrimination/partiality), you commit sin, and are convinced under the law as transgressors.”

JAMES 3:17 “The wisdom that comes from above is first of all pure, peaceable, easily entreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy.” (notably EASILY ENTREATED, FULL OF MERCY, WITHOUT RESPECTER OF PERSONS PARTIAL BIAS, BIGOTRY, RELIGIOUS PRESUMPTIVE STEREOTYPES, LEADER, LIFESTYLE HYPOCRISY)

“There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” Galatians 3:28 

“For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.” I Corinthians 2:2** (**going deeper than APPEARANCES, RACE, GENDER, AGE, OUTER COURT, LEGALISM)