MINISTRY AI AND I “IS HELL ETERNAL? CAN YOU PARTY IN HELL?” A DEEP DIVE

February 14, 2025 /

NOTE: This was first published www.ministryaiandi.com Feb 14 ,2025

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MINISTRY AI AND I

IS THERE AN ETERNAL HELL?

CAN YOU PARTY IN HELL?

A DEEP DIVE

Contains : First Church Original Views,

The Origins of the use of the term “Fire and Brimstone” Other

Describes Life in Eternal Hell according Bible outline,

Addresses the Popular Culture”Can you party in hell?”
And a WARNING to God’s Ministers, Leaders, All

Purpose? To Give People Choices, Wisdom in order to Prompt Useful and Valuable Realistic Thinking. Plus: there are presently many online trying to convince many that hell is real nor eternal.

TD Asks Chat GPT AI:

The scriptures (Kjv) ISAIAH 66:44, MARK 9:43, 48 use this mysterious term about “after death”…. “the worm will not die” Describe this in deepest Hebrew, Greek Aramaic meaning, if, as it applies. Does this refer to “an eternal lasting never ending torment.”

Chat GPT AI answers:

The phrase “the worm will not die” is found in Isaiah 66:24 and is echoed by Jesus in Mark 9:44, 46, and 48 (KJV). Let’s break down the original language meanings and interpretations from Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic to discern its significance and whether it implies “eternal torment.”

Isaiah 66:24 (KJV)

“And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.”

Hebrew Breakdown:

“Worm” (תּוֹלַעַת, tola‘at):
This word refers to a maggot or a larva, typically used to describe something that feeds on decaying flesh. The word also sometimes refers to the coccus ilicis, a worm used in dye-making, but in this context, it clearly refers to decay and corruption.
- Symbolism: The worm represents the continual consumption of the dead flesh. It signifies an ongoing, unending process of corruption or judgment.
“Shall not die” (לֹא תָמוּת, lo tamut):
The negation lo (“not”) and tamut (a future form of the verb for death) mean “will not die or cease.” This signifies perpetuity, emphasizing that this process continues indefinitely without cessation.
Interpretation:
The unending life of the worm represents an unceasing judgment or consequence. In the ancient Jewish worldview, the decay symbolized divine punishment for rebellion and unfaithfulness.

Mark 9:44, 46, 48 (KJV)

“Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.”

Greek Breakdown:

“Worm” (σκώληξ, skōlēx):
Similar to the Hebrew word, skōlēx refers to a worm or maggot associated with decaying bodies. In Greco-Roman imagery, worms symbolized judgment and decomposition.
“Dieth not” (οὐ τελευτᾷ, ou teleutá):
The Greek ou (a negation) and teleutá (“to end, finish, or die”) emphasize that the worm will never complete its task. This implies an unending condition rather than a one-time judgment.
“Fire is not quenched” (πῦρ οὐ σβέννυται, pyr ou sbennytai):
“Quenched” refers to fire that is never extinguished. In biblical imagery, unquenchable fire symbolizes God’s unrelenting judgment (Jeremiah 17:27).

Aramaic Influence

Although the Aramaic equivalent texts are not directly preserved here, the Aramaic understanding of worms and fire in Jewish eschatology would align with Hebrew thought:

Worms: Symbolize ongoing decay and corruption.
Fire: A metaphor for divine, purifying, or punishing judgment.

Theological Implications

Perpetuity vs. Eternal Conscious Torment:
- The language of worms that “do not die” and fire that is “not quenched” conveys ongoing judgment. While some interpret this as symbolizing eternal conscious torment, others argue that it represents the complete destruction and ruin of the wicked.
- In Jewish thought, the idea of worms and fire often represented dishonor and disgrace in death, not necessarily eternal consciousness. A decaying body consumed endlessly without burial symbolized ultimate judgment.
Symbolic Interpretation:
- Some scholars view the “worm” as representing the gnawing conscience or regret of those judged. It could symbolize internal torment from separation from God.
Connection to Gehenna:
- Jesus’ use of this imagery is linked to Gehenna, a valley outside Jerusalem used for burning refuse. Gehenna became a symbol of final judgment, where the fires never went out, and the worms consumed whatever remained.

Conclusion:

The phrase “the worm will not die” carries profound symbolism of ongoing, never-ending judgment or destruction. Whether this refers to eternal, conscious torment or the permanent consequence of separation from God is debated. The original languages stress unceasing corruption, implying that God’s judgment is both just and irreversible. Hence, it does not solely point to torment but the finality and irreversibility of divine judgment.

Sister Taveau asked Chat GPT AI to give the First Church, Jesus, Apostles, Paul views on death in hell. And asked it to use Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek meanings where it applied.

Note: She specifically asked that it’s response ONLY contain First Church, Jesus time period and specificially NOT any later interpretations, like there any many right NOW

Chat GPT AI responded:

Biblical Views on Death and Eternal Hell: The First Church, Jesus, Paul, and the Apostles

To examine the First Church’s view on death and eternal hell, we will focus on Jesus’ teachings, Paul’s letters, and the Apostolic writings, staying as close to the original Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic meanings as possible.

I. Jesus’ Teachings on Death and Hell

Jesus spoke frequently about the afterlife, judgment, and punishment. His teachings often include references to “Gehenna” (a term for Hell), eternal fire, and outer darkness.

1. The Word “Hell” (Greek: γέεννα, Gehenna)

Matthew 5:22, 29-30 (KJV):
“But whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire (Gehenna).”
“…it is better for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.”
Greek: γέεννα (Gehenna) comes from the Hebrew “Ge-Hinnom” (גֵּיא־הִנֹּם), meaning “Valley of Hinnom,” a place near Jerusalem associated with child sacrifices to Molech (2 Kings 23:10) and later seen as a symbol for divine judgment and punishment.
- By Jesus’ time, Gehenna was used as a metaphor for eternal punishment.

Key Point:
Jesus used Gehenna to emphasize that unrepentant sin leads to eternal separation from God in a place of torment.

2. Eternal Fire (Greek: πῦρ αἰώνιον, Pyr Aionion)

Matthew 25:41 (KJV):
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire (πῦρ αἰώνιον), prepared for the devil and his angels.”
- Greek: πῦρ αἰώνιον (Pyr Aionion): Literally “eternal fire,” signifying unending punishment.
- This fire is not annihilation, but rather ongoing conscious torment.

3. Outer Darkness and Weeping

Matthew 8:12 (KJV):
“But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness (σκότος ἐξώτερον): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
- Greek: σκότος ἐξώτερον (Skotos Exoteron): “Outer darkness” signifies complete separation from God’s presence.
- The weeping and gnashing of teeth implies deep regret, pain, and sorrow, reinforcing the idea of eternal torment.

Summary of Jesus’ Teachings:

Hell is eternal, conscious separation from God.
Jesus emphasized that Hell was prepared for the devil but would also be the fate of unrepentant sinners.

II. Paul’s Teachings on Death and Judgment

Paul’s writings focus more on judgment and resurrection, though he also warns of eternal destruction and separation from God.

1. Eternal Destruction (Greek: ὄλεθρος αἰώνιος, Olethros Aionios)

2 Thessalonians 1:9 (KJV):
“Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power.”
- Greek: ὄλεθρος αἰώνιος (Olethros Aionios): “Everlasting destruction” does not imply annihilation but rather complete ruin and eternal separation.
- This punishment occurs “away from the presence of the Lord”, which signifies being cut off from God’s light and glory.

2. God’s Wrath and Judgment

Romans 2:6-8 (KJV):
“[God] will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life: But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath.”
- Paul teaches that those who reject the truth will face God’s indignation and wrath.
- This wrath is eternal and final.
Romans 6:23:
“For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
- The “death” here refers to spiritual death and separation from God, not mere physical death.

Summary of Paul’s Teachings:

Paul affirms that unrepentant sinners face eternal punishment, described as eternal destruction, separation from God, and wrath.

III. Apostolic Writings on Hell and Judgment

The other Apostolic writings continue to emphasize the reality of eternal punishment.

1. The Letter of Jude

Jude 7 (KJV):
“Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them… are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”
- Greek: δίκην πυρὸς αἰωνίου (Diken Pyros Aioniou): Literally “the punishment of eternal fire.”
- Jude explicitly connects God’s judgment on Sodom and Gomorrah to eternal punishment in Hell.

2. Revelation (John’s Vision)

The Book of Revelation gives the clearest picture of the final fate of the wicked:

Revelation 20:10 (KJV):
“And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.”
- Greek: λίμνη τοῦ πυρὸς (Limne Tou Pyros): “Lake of fire” represents the final place of punishment.
- “For ever and ever” (εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων): This phrase means eternal, unending time.
- This punishment is eternal conscious torment, not annihilation.
Revelation 21:8 (KJV):
“But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers… shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
- The “second death” refers to eternal separation from God in the lake of fire.

IV. Key Hebrew and Aramaic Concepts of Hell

In the Old Testament and Jewish tradition:

Sheol (שְׁאוֹל): A general term for the place of the dead, but Jesus’ use of Gehenna transforms this concept into one of eternal judgment for the wicked.
Gehenna (גֵּיא־הִנֹּם): A valley outside Jerusalem, symbolizing eternal divine punishment.

V. Conclusion: The First Church’s View on Eternal Hell

The First Church—based on the teachings of Jesus, Paul, and the Apostles—held a clear and consistent view:

Eternal Punishment:
- Hell is described as eternal fire, outer darkness, and separation from God’s presence.
- The punishment is conscious and unending.
Separation from God:
- Hell’s essence is being eternally cut off from God’s love, mercy, and glory.
Jesus’ Authority:
- Jesus frequently warned of the reality of Hell, emphasizing the need for repentance and faith in Him.

This view of Hell as eternal separation and torment is deeply rooted in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek concepts found in Scripture.

Mark 9:43-48 – In-Depth Explanation (Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew Context)

This passage is one of Jesus’ most striking warnings about Gehenna (Hell) and its eternal consequences. To fully grasp its meaning, we will explore:

The Context
Key Words in Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew
Theological Implications

1. Context of Mark 9:43-48

Jesus is using hyperbolic (exaggerated) language to emphasize the seriousness of sin. He is not literally commanding people to mutilate themselves but rather warning that eternal consequences outweigh temporary suffering.

The repeated phrase in verses 44, 46, and 48 (“Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.”) is a direct quotation from Isaiah 66:24, which describes the judgment of the wicked.

This passage contrasts eternal life with eternal punishment and uses vivid imagery of fire and worms to illustrate the irrevocable fate of those who reject God.

2. Key Words in Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew

A. “Hell” (Greek: γέεννα, Gehenna)

Greek: γέεννα (Gehenna) → Transliterated from the Hebrew גֵּי בֶן־הִנֹּם (Geh Ben-Hinnom, Valley of Hinnom).
Historical Meaning:
- The Valley of Hinnom, located outside Jerusalem, was a place of idol worship (2 Kings 23:10) and later became a garbage dump where fires burned continuously.
- By Jesus’ time, it was a well-known symbol of divine judgment.
Aramaic Context:
- Jesus, speaking Aramaic, likely used “Gehinnam” (ܓܗܢܐ, Gehannā), which had already become a term for final judgment.
- The Pharisees and Rabbinic tradition described Gehenna as a place of purification or eternal punishment, depending on one’s sins.

B. “Fire” (Greek: πῦρ, Pur)

Greek: πῦρ (Pur) → Literal fire, but also metaphorically used for:
1. God’s refining judgment (Malachi 3:2)
2. Eternal punishment (Matthew 25:41)
3. Destruction of the wicked (2 Thessalonians 1:8)
Aramaic:
- The word for fire in Aramaic is “Nura” (ܢܘܪܐ).
- Jewish writings describe fire as both purification and punishment (Talmud, Midrash).

C. “Worm” (Greek: σκώληξ, Skōlēx)

Greek: σκώληξ (Skōlēx) → Literally means a worm, maggot, or larva that feeds on decaying flesh.
Hebrew Context:
- The original Isaiah 66:24 passage uses תּוֹלֵעָה (tola’ath), often translated as “worm” or “scarlet” (because the tola’ath worm was also used to make scarlet dye).
- In Isaiah, the undying worm symbolizes shame, corruption, and continual decay.
Symbolism:
- Internal suffering and regret
- Decomposition without end (a terrifying metaphor for the fate of the wicked)

D. “Not Quenched” (Greek: οὐ σβέννυται, Ou Sbennutai)

Greek: οὐ σβέννυται (Ou Sbennutai) → “Will never be extinguished”
Hebrew Parallel:
- Isaiah 66:24 uses לֹא תִכְבֶּה (lo tikhbeh), meaning “shall not be put out”.
Implication:
- The fire represents irreversible divine judgment.
- Once judgment begins, there is no escape.

3. Theological Implications

Eternal Conscious Torment vs. Annihilation
- Some interpret Jesus’ words as eternal torment (fire and worms never stop).
- Others see it as total destruction (worms consume, fire consumes, leaving nothing).
- Isaiah’s original context suggests the corpses are dead, not suffering.
Seriousness of Sin
- Jesus is emphasizing that sin leads to death and separation from God.
- The hyperbole of cutting off body parts stresses the need for radical repentance.
Judgment in Jewish Thought
- Pharisees believed in Gehenna as either a temporary purification or eternal punishment.
- Sadducees rejected the afterlife altogether.
- Jesus aligns with Isaiah’s warning of divine judgment.

Conclusion: What Did Jesus Mean?

Jesus used strong visual language from Isaiah 66:24 to warn about Gehenna as a real, irreversible judgment.
Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew suggest this is about complete ruin, decay, and fire that signifies God’s final verdict.
The undying worm and unquenchable fire reflect an inescapable, final fate rather than an endless process.

This passage is one of the strongest warnings Jesus gave about judgment and the consequences of sin. It is a call to repentance and a reminder that God’s justice is final.

Taveau Asks Chat GPT AI

Please describe in depth the story of the rich man and Lazurus and how it mentions hell. Tell the deepest meanings, use Greek Aramaic or Hebrews

The Story of the Rich Man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31)

This parable, spoken by Jesus, is one of the clearest teachings on the afterlife and eternal judgment in the New Testament. It vividly contrasts the fate of the unrighteous wealthy man and Lazarus, a poor beggar, offering significant insights into the nature of Hades (Hell), judgment, and God’s justice.

I. The Story: Luke 16:19-31 (KJV)

“There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house:
For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.”

II. Overview of the Story

Characters:
- Rich Man: Unnamed but described as wealthy, self-indulgent, and indifferent to the needs of Lazarus.
- Lazarus: A beggar covered with sores, symbolic of suffering and humility.
- Abraham: A patriarch representing the righteous dead and a comforting figure.
Setting:
- Life: The rich man enjoys luxury, and Lazarus suffers.
- Afterlife: Lazarus is taken to “Abraham’s bosom” (a place of comfort for the righteous), while the rich man finds himself in Hades (Hell), in torment.

III. Key Words in Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew

A. “Hell” (Greek: ᾅδης, Hades)

Greek: ᾅδης (Hades): In the New Testament, Hades is often used as the temporary abode of the dead, particularly the unrighteous dead awaiting final judgment.
- Equivalent to the Hebrew “Sheol” (שְׁאוֹל), the realm of the dead mentioned throughout the Old Testament.
- Hades is not the final place of punishment (Gehenna) but is a place of conscious suffering.
In Aramaic:
- Likely referred to as “Sheol” or a similar term for the underworld.
- Jesus’ listeners would have understood Hades as a place of separation and torment.

B. “Abraham’s Bosom” (Greek: κόλπον Ἀβραάμ, Kolpon Abraam)

Greek: κόλπον Ἀβραάμ (Kolpon Abraam): The phrase literally means “Abraham’s side” or “embrace”.
- Symbolizes a place of peace, rest, and close fellowship with the patriarch Abraham.
- Jewish tradition viewed Abraham as the father of the righteous, so this term implied that Lazarus was in the company of the saved.
Hebrew Context:
- Paradise (possibly connected to Gan Eden, the Garden of Eden) was often associated with the righteous dead.

C. “Torments” (Greek: βασάνοις, Basanois)

Greek: βασάνοις (Basanos): This term originally referred to testing metals for purity by rubbing them on a touchstone, later evolving to mean intense suffering and torture.
The rich man’s suffering is not just physical but also mental anguish, as he is aware of Lazarus’ comfort and his inability to escape.

D. “A Great Gulf Fixed” (Greek: χάσμα μέγα, Chasma Mega)

Greek: χάσμα μέγα (Chasma Mega): Refers to an unbridgeable chasm or separation.
- Symbolizes the finality of divine judgment—once a person’s fate is determined, it cannot be changed.

IV. Theological and Symbolic Meanings

1. The Great Reversal

Jesus contrasts the earthly fortunes of the rich man and Lazarus with their eternal destinies.
- The Rich Man: His luxury and selfishness led to his condemnation.
- Lazarus: His earthly suffering is now replaced by eternal comfort.

This “reversal of fortunes” is a central theme in Jesus’ teachings (e.g., “the last shall be first” – Matthew 20:16).

2. Responsibility to the Poor

The rich man’s sin is not explicitly stated as greed or theft, but his indifference to Lazarus’ suffering.
- Jewish law and the prophets repeatedly emphasized caring for the poor and needy (Deuteronomy 15:7-8, Isaiah 58:6-7).
- His failure to act shows a lack of love and compassion, central to Jesus’ teachings (Matthew 25:31-46).

3. Conscious Afterlife

The story implies that the dead are aware of their fate and the fates of others.
- The rich man’s awareness of Lazarus and his own suffering indicates conscious existence after death.
- This passage, along with others, supports the idea of immediate judgment upon death, followed by eternal consequences.

4. The Irreversibility of Judgment

The “great gulf” represents the permanent separation between the righteous and the wicked after death.
- Once death occurs, there are no second chances to change one’s eternal destiny.
- This underscores the urgency of repentance in this life.

5. “Moses and the Prophets”

When the rich man pleads for his family to be warned, Abraham emphasizes that God’s Word (the Law and Prophets) is sufficient for repentance.
- Rejection of the Word: Those who refuse to believe scripture will also reject other signs—even a resurrection.
- This foreshadows Jesus’ own resurrection and the hardened hearts of many who would still not believe (John 12:37).

V. Cultural and Historical Background

In Jesus’ time, Jewish beliefs about the afterlife were varied:

Pharisees believed in resurrection, judgment, and Gehenna.
Sadducees rejected the afterlife.
Popular tradition held that the righteous were taken to a place of comfort (Abraham’s Bosom), and the wicked faced torment.

Jesus used familiar imagery and cultural concepts to convey eternal truths in this stor

VI. Conclusion: Eternal Destiny and Divine Justice

The story of the Rich Man and Lazarus is a powerful lesson on repentance, judgment, and eternal consequences. Jesus’ use of Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic terms highlights the seriousness of rejecting God’s commands, especially concerning care for others.

Ultimately, it is a call to humility, repentance, and faith—emphasizing that eternal life is determined by how we respond to God’s Word in this life.

Sister Taveau asks Chat GPT AI:

Besides the poor beggar and Lazurus, are there any other Bible examples of eternal hell, punishment for the wicked?

Chat GPT AI responds:

The Bible provides multiple passages that reference eternal punishment and what could cause a person to be condemned to hell. Below is a breakdown of these teachings, focusing on New Testament theology and the view of the First Church, which is grounded in the teachings of Jesus, the apostles, and early Christian doctrine.

1. Examples of Eternal Hell and Punishment for the Wicked

The Bible gives several passages that reference eternal punishment, particularly in the New Testament:

A. Matthew 25:41-46 (Sheep and Goats Parable)

Jesus describes the final judgment:
- “Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels” (Matthew 25:41).
- The wicked are sent into “everlasting punishment” (v. 46) for failing to show compassion to the least of His brethren (feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting the sick).
Key takeaway: Eternal punishment is described as “everlasting fire,” and judgment is based on actions (or inactions) toward others in need.

B. Mark 9:43-48 (The Unquenchable Fire)

Jesus warns about sin: “If thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched.”
“Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched” (v. 48).
- This passage reflects the severity of sin and the eternal nature of punishment in hell (Gehenna).

C. Revelation 20:10-15 (The Lake of Fire)

“And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone… and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.”
Those whose names are not found in the “book of life” are also cast into the lake of fire (v. 15).
- This imagery reflects the ultimate and eternal separation from God.

D. 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9

“In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.”
These people “shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord.”
- This passage describes hell as eternal separation from God’s presence.

Taveau asks
Mention Any Other Verses

This passage is a reference to Isaiah 66:24, where God speaks of the fate of the wicked:

Isaiah 66:24 (KJV)

“And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.”

Dr Taveau asks Chat GPT AI:
Where does the Old Timey, Bible thumping, perhaps historical or USA Puritan Memory of “fire and brimstone” originate?

Chat GPT AI replies
The tradition of “fire and brimstone” as a symbol of divine judgment and punishment has deep roots in the Bible, particularly the Old Testament. The imagery is associated with God’s wrath and destruction of the wicked and later becomes central to many Christian teachings on hell. Here’s a breakdown of its origins and development:

1. The Old Testament Origins

Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19:24):
- “Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven.”
- This is the earliest and most well-known biblical reference to fire and brimstone (sulfur). The destruction of these cities became a symbol of God’s judgment on extreme wickedness. The vivid imagery of sulfurous fire raining down from heaven helped shape the tradition of associating judgment with fiery punishment.
Deuteronomy 29:23:
- When warning Israel about the consequences of disobedience, Moses refers to the land of Sodom and Gomorrah, saying it was overthrown with “brimstone, and salt, and burning.”
- This passage reinforces fire and brimstone as symbols of complete and permanent desolation.
Isaiah 30:33:
- “For Tophet is ordained of old… the breath of the Lord, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it.”
- Here, fire and brimstone are used as instruments of divine judgment against the Assyrians. This imagery portrays God’s wrath as an unquenchable, consuming fire.
Ezekiel 38:22:
- In a prophecy against Gog, God says He will rain “an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone” on His enemies.
- This passage symbolizes the destructive and purifying force of God’s judgment.

2. New Testament Development

Book of Revelation:
The tradition of fire and brimstone is expanded in the New Testament, especially in apocalyptic contexts:
- Revelation 14:10-11:
  Those who worship the beast and its image “shall be tormented with fire and brimstone… and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever.”
  - This passage explicitly connects fire and brimstone to eternal punishment for the wicked.
- Revelation 19:20:
  The beast and the false prophet are cast into the “lake of fire burning with brimstone.”
- Revelation 20:10, 21:8:
  The “lake of fire” becomes the final destination for Satan, death, and the wicked. Fire and brimstone symbolize a place of eternal punishment and separation from God.

These passages in Revelation are among the most vivid and terrifying descriptions of hell in the Bible and played a significant role in shaping Christian eschatology and imagery of damnation.

3. Cultural and Theological Influences

Second Temple Judaism (Intertestamental Period):
- During the period between the Old and New Testaments, Jewish apocalyptic literature (such as 1 Enoch) began to develop more elaborate depictions of fiery judgment and eternal punishment, likely influenced by the imagery of Sodom and Gomorrah.
- These writings helped bridge the OT concept of divine destruction with the NT idea of eternal torment.
Early Christian Preaching:
- The “fire and brimstone” imagery became a key part of early Christian sermons on repentance and judgment. Preachers like John the Baptist warned of the “unquenchable fire” (Matthew 3:12), which echoed the same theme.
Medieval and Renaissance Art and Literature:
- Fire and brimstone were further popularized in medieval art and literature, particularly in depictions of hell. Dante’s Inferno, written in the 14th century, vividly portrayed hell as a place of fire and torment, solidifying this imagery in Western culture.

Symbolism of Fire and Brimstone

Fire: A symbol of purification and judgment. Fire is often used in the Bible to signify God’s consuming holiness (e.g., Deuteronomy 4:24, Hebrews 12:29).
Brimstone (sulfur): Associated with burning and desolation. Sulfur is a highly flammable substance, and its acrid smell became a metaphor for the noxious, unbearable nature of divine punishment.

Together, fire and brimstone symbolize complete destruction, separation from God, and the inescapable nature of divine judgment.

Conclusion

The “fire and brimstone” tradition originates in the Bible, particularly from the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah in Genesis 19. It was expanded in the prophets and fully developed in the apocalyptic visions of Revelation. Over time, this imagery became central to Christian eschatology and cultural depictions of hell, emphasizing the severity and permanence of divine judgment.

Apostle T asks Chat GPT AI:
I see a lot of confusion in the Christian and secular, other faiths community about “doing good deeds, committing acts of sin, atrocity and more’ and ignorance regarding “getting into the Heaven” for “Sure.”

While nobody and not this author, knows it all, there is a Holy Spirit calm and Bible peace in all of this. And for the sake of the many truly concerned, please simplify, using just the First Church, Jesus, Bible verses to answer: What causes valuable human person to “perish in hell for Eternity.”

(NOTE That this is SELAH (to contemplate and to consider)

PURPOSE, Clarity.. by Presenting all of this calmly, objectively, albeit clinically, also Biblically via Chat GPT AI.. aka intention: Rightly Dividing The Truth in light of all Eternity( Selah Realistic Thought)

Chat GPT AI replies:

2. What Causes a Person to End Up in Hell?

The Bible provides two major categories of causes:

A. Refusal to Accept Christ as Savior

The core teaching of the New Testament is that faith in Jesus Christ is essential for salvation.

John 3:18: “He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”
- The rejection of Jesus as Savior is presented as the primary cause of condemnation.
John 14:6: “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

First Church view: The early Christians emphasized that salvation was found in Christ alone. Without repentance and faith in Him, eternal separation from God (hell) is inevitable.

B. Persistent Sin and Unrepentance

While faith in Christ is foundational, the Bible also warns against ongoing sinful behavior and unrepentance. Certain behaviors are repeatedly listed as causes of condemnation:

Galatians 5:19-21:
- “Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revelings, and such like… they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
- These behaviors represent a lifestyle of unrepentant sin. Paul warns that those who practice such things cannot inherit eternal life.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10:
- “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”
Revelation 21:8:
- “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
Key themes:
- Persistent rebellion against God and failure to repent are major causes of judgment.
- This includes cruelty, idolatry, sexual immorality, and refusing to love and follow God’s commands.

C. Neglecting Compassion and Love

Jesus emphasizes the importance of love and mercy in determining one’s eternal destiny.

Matthew 25:41-46 (cited above): Those condemned were not for overt sins like murder but for neglecting the needy. Their failure to show love revealed a heart distant from God.
James 2:13: “For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy.”
- A merciless heart indicates spiritual death and disconnection from God.

D. Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit

Mark 3:28-29:
- “All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men… but he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.”
- This refers to the persistent rejection of the Holy Spirit’s work and conviction. It reflects a hardened heart beyond repentance.

Summary of Biblical Causes

Rejecting Jesus as Savior: The primary cause of condemnation in the New Testament. Faith in Christ is essential for salvation.
Unrepentant Sin: Persistent sinfulness and refusal to turn from behaviors that violate God’s commandments can lead to judgment.
Neglecting Compassion: Failing to show mercy, love, and compassion to others may reflect a heart that is not aligned with God’s will.
Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit: The ultimate rejection of God’s grace and the Spirit’s work in one’s life leads to eternal separation.

First Church View on Eternal Destiny

The First Church (early Christian community) focused heavily on repentance, grace, and faith in Christ. While they acknowledged the severity of sin, they also emphasized the power of God’s mercy for those who turned to Him.

1 John 1:9: “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”
Romans 10:13: “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

While eternal punishment is real and just, the First Church’s message was one of hope and redemption through Christ. True repentance and faith in Him are the keys to avoiding hell and inheriting eternal life with God.

CLOSING: “Life in Eternal Hell” using Bible perspective:

Sister T Asks Descriptive, realistic, indeed, Sober Questions, due to life, comments, sarcastic media and persons repeated comments:

Chat GPT AI responds:

The Bible presents a very clear and sobering picture of hell, which is in stark contrast to popular misconceptions that it could be a place of socializing or leisure. Let’s break this down from a scriptural viewpoint.

1. Is There Darkness in Hell?

Yes, the Bible explicitly describes hell as a place of outer darkness:

Matthew 8:12 (KJV):
“But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
Matthew 22:13:
“Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
Jude 1:13:
“To whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.”

Interpretation:
While hell is often described as a place of burning fire, it is also described as a place of impenetrable darkness. This suggests complete isolation and separation from any light or hope, which symbolizes God’s presence (John 8:12).

2. Can You Hang Out With Friends and Party?

No, the Bible does not support the idea of social interaction or camaraderie in hell. Instead, hell is portrayed as a place of isolation, torment, and regret.

Luke 16:22-26 (The Rich Man and Lazarus):
The rich man, after death, found himself in torment in Hades. He was alone and unable to cross over to any place of comfort or speak to others for relief. He was desperate for even a drop of water but found no one to help him.
- Verse 26: “And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed.”
This gulf suggests total separation and no access to community or comfort.
Revelation 20:10:
The devil, false prophet, and beast are cast into the lake of fire. There is no mention of interaction—only ongoing torment.

Conclusion:
Rather than being a place of partying or socializing, hell is depicted as one of solitary suffering and eternal regret.

3. Will You Get Time Off for Good Behavior? Weekends off?

No, the Bible is clear that hell is an eternal state. There is no parole or release.

Matthew 25:46:
“And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”
Revelation 14:11:
“And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night.”

There is no scriptural basis for any kind of probation or time off for “good behavior” once someone is in hell. It is described as a permanent and unending state of separation from God.

4. Is There Any WiFi, Video Games, or Media in Hell?

The Bible makes no reference to any form of technology or entertainment in hell. In fact, the descriptions given are the complete opposite of comfort or distraction.

Isaiah 66:24 (regarding the final state of the wicked):
“For their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.”
Mark 9:48 (reiterating Isaiah’s prophecy):
“Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.”

Interpretation:
Hell is depicted as a place of continual torment and reflection on missed opportunities to turn to God. There is no mention of distractions, entertainment, or anything to numb the suffering.

Summary of the Dwelling in Hell

Darkness: Total separation from light and God.
Isolation: No socializing, no parties, and no friends to lean on for support.
Eternal: No parole, probation, or time off for good behavior.
No Comfort: No entertainment, media, or distractions.

The biblical view of hell is meant to warn of its seriousness and to underscore the urgency of repentance and salvation through Jesus Christ. Rather than a place of companionship or entertainment, it is a place of suffering, regret, and eternal separation from God.

Sister T hastens to add …It seems that the choice is left up to YOU and ME..

LAST: WORDS OF REAL WARNING..TO, GOD’S (PRESUMING THEY ARE GOD’S) BORN AGAIN, SAVED PERSONS

The Questions about Red Letter Jesus in Matthew 7:21-23

This pertains to Christian Leadership, Office Ministry

Matthew 7:21-23 (KJV):
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Dr Taveau requests:

Discuss Christ in red letter Matthew 7:21-23 How does this pertain to Christian ministers, seems more like the Book of Acts, ‘spirit filled kind’ not being allowed into heaven? Or is that correct? And how does it pertain to ” eternal heaven” vs “eternal separation” from the most high God (cast into hell)…if that be true interpretation of the Bible)

Chat GPT respectfully replies:

Matthew 7:21-23 (KJV) – Christ’s Words on Judgment

Here is the full passage:

I. Context and Breakdown of the Passage

This passage is from Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount, where He warned against false prophets and spiritual hypocrisy. It contains three warnings tied to false professions of faith and eternal separation from God.

“Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven” (v. 21)
- Greek:
  - “Lord” (Κύριος, Kyrios): A title for God, indicating divine authority and lordship. Repeated twice here to emphasize urgency or desperation.
  - “Kingdom of heaven” (βασιλεία τῶν οὐρανῶν, basileia tōn ouranōn): Refers to God’s rule and reign, both now and in eternity.
- Meaning:
  - Merely professing Jesus as Lord is not enough; true entry into God’s Kingdom requires doing the will of the Father.
  - Superficial Christianity—lip service without true obedience—is being condemned.
- Application to Ministers: Christian leaders or ministers may outwardly seem devout, but if their hearts and actions are not aligned with God’s will, they are at risk of missing God’s Kingdom.

“Many will say … have we not prophesied in thy name, cast out devils, and done many wonderful works?” (v. 22)
- Greek Concepts:
  - “Prophesied” (προφητεύω, prophēteuō): Refers to declaring God’s message, but not all prophecy comes from pure motives or a genuine relationship with God.
  - “Cast out devils” (ἐκβάλλω δαιμόνια, ekballō daimonia): Even miraculous deeds can be performed without a right heart, as seen in Acts 19:13-16 (the sons of Sceva tried to cast out demons in Jesus’ name without knowing Him).
  - “Wonderful works” (δυνάμεις, dunameis): Refers to miracles or displays of power.
- Meaning:
  - Jesus warns that outward signs of ministry success (e.g., prophecy, exorcism, miracles) are not proof of true salvation or a right relationship with God.
  - People may perform religious acts but be inwardly lawless or self-seeking.
- Application to Ministers:
  - This applies especially to leaders who appear spirit-filled or charismatic but are motivated by selfish ambition, pride, or deceit.
  - It reflects the danger of using God’s name for personal gain without actually living in obedience.

“I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity” (v. 23)
- Greek Concepts:
  - “I never knew you” (οὐδέποτε ἔγνων ὑμᾶς, oudepote egnōn hymas): Indicates no personal relationship with Jesus—not just failing to know facts about Him but lacking intimate, saving fellowship.
  - “Iniquity” (ἀνομία, anomia): Translates as lawlessness or acting without regard for God’s commands.
- Meaning:
  - Despite outward appearances of godliness, those who reject God’s moral authority and fail to submit to His will are ultimately cast away from God’s presence.
- Eternal Separation:
  - The phrase “depart from me” implies eternal separation from God’s presence, a fate often associated with eternal judgment (hell).

II. How This Relates to the Book of Acts and Spirit-Filled Ministries

In the Book of Acts, many miracles and spiritual gifts were performed by the early apostles and leaders through the power of the Holy Spirit. However, this passage in Matthew warns that even those who seem “spirit-filled” or operate in the miraculous are not guaranteed heaven if they are not truly aligned with God’s will:

Acts 8:18-23: Simon the Sorcerer tried to purchase the power of the Holy Spirit for personal gain. Although he outwardly professed belief, his heart was not right before God.
Acts 19:13-16: The sons of Sceva tried to cast out demons in Jesus’ name without knowing Him personally and were overpowered by the evil spirit.

These examples show that spiritual gifts or miracles do not prove someone’s salvation or true relationship with Christ

III. Eternal Heaven vs. Eternal Separation from God (Hell)

This passage ties directly into the doctrine of eternal separation from God:

Heaven (Kingdom of God): Reserved for those who do the will of the Father and maintain a genuine relationship with Christ.
Eternal Separation (Hell):
- Often described as a place of “outer darkness” (Matthew 8:12), “weeping and gnashing of teeth”, and separation from God’s presence.
- Jesus’ phrase “depart from me” is a clear warning of being cast out from God’s Kingdom, a theme echoed throughout His teachings (e.g., Matthew 25:41-46).
- This separation is not just for the “wicked” but also for those who appeared religious but lived in hypocrisy or self-deception.

Summary and Final Takeaways

Superficial professions of faith (e.g., calling Jesus “Lord”) are insufficient without true obedience and relationship with God.
Ministers and believers who focus on outward displays of spirituality (miracles, prophecy, casting out demons) but neglect inward holiness and submission risk eternal separation from God.
The warning in Matthew 7:21-23 is sobering for anyone in spiritual leadership—it highlights the need for sincere devotion, humility, and alignment with God’s will rather than trusting in external acts.

This passage ultimately emphasizes the necessity of knowing Jesus personally, obeying His commands, and living authentically in God’s light.

Dr Taveau asks:

Bottom line, also very frankly: Does Matthew 7:21-23 mean that the “ministers whom Jesus told ‘depart” wound up in eternal hell, forever? Give bible support, use Hebrew, Greek Aramaic if that applies.

Bottom Line of Matthew 7:21-23 (KJV) – Does “Depart from Me” Imply Eternal Hell?

Yes, Matthew 7:21-23 does imply eternal separation from God, which aligns with descriptions of eternal hell in biblical teachings. Let’s break it down using key terms, context, and other supporting scriptures to provide clarity

Key Verse Analysis (KJV)

“And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” (Matthew 7:23)

Greek Term Analysis:

“Depart from me” (ἀποχωρεῖτε ἀπ’ ἐμοῦ, apochōreite ap’ emou)
- ἀποχωρεῖτε (Apochōreite): A command meaning “go away, depart, be removed”. It is imperative and final, showing no invitation for return.
- Biblical Usage:
  - Matthew 25:41: Jesus uses a similar phrase when He says to the unrighteous, “Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire.”
  - The context and tone indicate eternal separation, not a temporary departure.
“Ye that work iniquity” (οἱ ἐργαζόμενοι τὴν ἀνομίαν, hoi ergazomenoi tēn anomian)
- ἀνομία (Anomia): Translates to “lawlessness”—a deliberate rejection of God’s authority, often associated with rebellion.
- This lawlessness ties to a heart condition of rejecting God’s will, even while claiming to serve Him outwardly.

Support from Other Biblical Passages on Eternal Judgment

Jesus’ teachings consistently emphasize eternal consequences for rejecting God:

Matthew 25:41-46 (KJV):
- Jesus speaks of the Final Judgment and says to the unrighteous:
  “Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.”
- Everlasting fire (πῦρ αἰώνιον, pyr aiōnion): Refers to eternal punishment, a phrase used elsewhere in Scripture to describe hell.
- Verse 46:“And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”
  - This clearly contrasts eternal life with eternal separation/punishment.
Revelation 20:15 (KJV):
- “And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
- The lake of fire is described as the second death and the final state of those who are eternally separated from God.

Eternal Hell in Hebrew and Aramaic Context

Old Testament Concepts:
- While the Old Testament primarily uses Sheol (a place of the dead) and does not fully develop the concept of eternal hell, later Jewish teachings and the New Testament (written in Greek) introduce more clarity.
- Daniel 12:2 (KJV): “Many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.”
  - Everlasting contempt (דִּרְאוֹן עוֹלָם, dir’ōn ‘olam): Indicates perpetual disgrace and separation.
Aramaic Usage in First-Century Judaism:
- Jesus often referred to Gehenna (Greek: Γέεννα, geenna), a symbolic term for eternal punishment and hell (e.g., Matthew 5:22, Mark 9:43).
- Gehenna referred to the Valley of Hinnom, where refuse and corpses were burned—a vivid image of destruction and eternal separation.
- Gehenna became synonymous with eternal separation from God in Jewish and early Christian thought.

Is Jesus Referring to Ministers Being Denied Heaven?

Yes, this passage is a warning to all, including ministers. Those who claim to serve in Jesus’ name but do not truly know Him or follow God’s will are at risk of eternal separation:

False Professions of Faith: These people prophesied, cast out demons, and performed miracles, but their hearts were far from God (similar to 1 Samuel 15:22, where Saul’s disobedience led to rejection despite sacrifices).
Lawlessness as the Root Issue: Jesus highlights that lawlessness (rejecting God’s moral authority) ultimately leads to exclusion from God’s kingdom.

Eternal Heaven vs. Eternal Separation

Matthew 7:21-23 clearly indicates eternal separation from God for those rejected:

Heaven (Kingdom of God): Reserved for those who truly know and obey Christ (see John 10:27, “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them”).
Hell (Eternal Separation): Jesus’ statement “depart from me” implies the finality of judgment, paralleling Matthew 25:46 and Revelation 20:15.
No Neutral Ground: There is no middle ground between eternal life and eternal separation in Jesus’ teachings.

Final Conclusion

In Matthew 7:21-23, the phrase “depart from me” refers to eternal separation from God, which aligns with the biblical doctrine of eternal hell (Gehenna, lake of fire). This passage serves as a warning to all, especially ministers who may outwardly appear spiritual but inwardly reject God’s authority. Without genuine relationship and obedience, even those who perform miracles can face the eternal consequences of lawlessness.**

**ADDENDUM TO MATTHEW 7:21 -23

Dr T adds depth and of AI inquires:

Strong’s Bible concordance also described “lawlessnes, iniquity” as meaning “using false authority” Explain that and use Greek ,Hebrew Aramaic or refute.

Chat GPT AI replies:

Yes, you are correct that “lawlessness” (Greek: ἀνομία, anomia) can also carry the connotation of false authority or acting outside of rightful authority in biblical usage. Let’s break this down in terms of its linguistic roots, biblical contexts, and how it can imply false authority

**1. Greek Word Study: ἀνομία (Anomia)**

ἀνομία (Anomia) is a compound word:
- α- (a-): A negative prefix meaning “without” or “against.”
- νόμος (nomos): Meaning “law,” referring to God’s divine order or moral law.

Thus, ἀνομία literally means “without law” or “against the law”. However, the nuance can go beyond just breaking the law to include acting without rightful authority or rejecting legitimate authority.

Expanded Meanings of ἀνομία:

Lawlessness: A disregard for God’s commandments.
Rebellion: Acting against God’s moral order.
False authority: Usurping or exercising authority that has not been given by God or that is used in opposition to God’s will.

2. Biblical Usage of ἀνομία in False Authority Context

In some contexts, ἀνομία is used to describe religious leaders or people who claimed spiritual authority but acted against God’s true authority:

Matthew 7:23 (KJV):
“And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity (anomia).”
- In this context, the people claiming to perform miracles, prophesy, and cast out demons were using religious authority, but Jesus rejected them because they were lawless.
- Their actions suggest they acted without God’s true approval—either by using power for self-promotion or failing to abide by God’s moral law.
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 (KJV):
“Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped.”
- Here, the “man of sin” is described as lawless, which includes self-exaltation and exercising authority that opposes God. This type of lawlessness is synonymous with false spiritual authority.
1 John 3:4 (KJV):
“Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law (anomia).”
- This verse describes sin as not just breaking God’s laws, but living in active rebellion against His authority.

3. False Authority in Hebrew and Aramaic Contexts

While the New Testament is primarily written in Greek, the concept of lawlessness as false authority also has roots in Old Testament Hebrew thinking:

Hebrew Word for Iniquity: עָוֹן (Avon)
- Avon often refers to iniquity or guilt, but it also implies twisting or perverting justice and authority.
- For example, Isaiah 10:1-2 condemns those who “decree unrighteous decrees”—leaders who misuse authority to oppress others, which is lawlessness.
False Prophets and False Authority:
- In Jeremiah 23:16-17, God condemns false prophets who speak presumptuously in God’s name without true authority:
  “They speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the Lord.”
  - This is a form of anomia, as they acted under false authority.
Rebellion as Witchcraft:
- 1 Samuel 15:23:
  “For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity (avon) and idolatry.”
  - Rebellion is equated with spiritual lawlessness, using one’s will or authority in place of God’s.

4. Application to Matthew 7:21-23

When Jesus uses the word anomia (lawlessness) in Matthew 7:23, it is not just about immoral behavior but also about acting as though one has spiritual authority while being outside of God’s will:

False Spiritual Authority:
- The individuals claim to prophesy, cast out demons, and perform miracles in Jesus’ name. However, Jesus rejects them because they acted without true relationship with Him.
- This suggests they may have used spiritual gifts or religious titles for personal gain, control, or self-promotion—a hallmark of false authority.
Deception through Religious Acts:
- Jesus often criticized religious leaders (like the Pharisees) for outwardly righteous acts but inwardly rebellious hearts. In Matthew 23:27-28, He called them “whited sepulchres”—beautiful on the outside but full of death and corruption inside.

5. False Authority Today

The concept of lawlessness as false authority is still relevant in modern Christian ministry:

Misuse of Titles: Some may use the title of “apostle,” “prophet,” or “pastor” to exercise control over others without true submission to God’s will.
Manipulation and Control: When leaders use their position to dominate, oppress, or mislead others, they are acting in lawlessness—even if they claim spiritual authority.
Outward Performance without Relationship: The warning in Matthew 7:21-23 applies to anyone who uses ministry as a performance rather than a genuine relationship with God.

Conclusion: Lawlessness as False Authority

The biblical concept of anomia (lawlessness) includes not just disobedience to God’s law, but also usurping or exercising spiritual authority without God’s approval. Jesus’ condemnation in Matthew 7:21-23 is a clear warning to those who claim to minister in His name but do so without true submission to His will. This interpretation aligns with both New Testament Greek and Old Testament Hebrew concepts of lawlessness.

CLOSING FOR MINISTRY LEADERSHIP Over Pastor Taveau wants to remind office ministers:
Among the many terms which describe “use of false authority” in sr ministry one may choose among the following (listing but a very few)/

“NOT”….” WALKING IN THE LIGHT” I John 1:7 “If we walk in the light as He is in the light, then we have fellowship one with another and the blood of Christ cleanses us from all sin.”

Can be the each of the following, (short list admittedly)

Undue Control to place subtle , over force to conform or to obey

Manipulation, Targeting

Targeted, Orchestrated, Leader,Lay Praying Against

Shunning, Orchestrated Avoidance

Mind Control, Subliminal, psychic, dark occult to control

NO I JOHN 1:7 (this is about”Abuse, Vilifying form of Objectification, Internal Agressive “shunning Defilement” ) Repeated, excessive “far off ” Deep Scanning a person, never trying to relate or interview, “Divining from afar) then accusing that unknown person of “being in sin” (I’ve had that done REPEATEDLY in false occult witch watching prophetic ministries) hence I train (warn advise each of them)

False Witness/ Seer Example: “inner reading, perceiving, deep scan “Divining from afar, then accusing that unknown person of “being in sin” (I’ve had that done REPEATEDLY in false occult witch watching prophetic ministries) hence I train (warn advise each of them)

Toying with God’s people, Mind Games, Self Centered ministry behavior which is False, dehumanizes, objectifies, minimizes “certain TYPES”

Using Fear

Withholding relationships, contact, ability to upfront confront a leader, elder, orchestrated power blocking, withstanding

False Fronts, Beguiling

Seduction

Any Violence

Back Biting, Undermining, Playing Continual Mind Games to remain in top control

Ducking, Avoiding Confrontation or being respectfully confronted

Cults, Good Ole Persons In Crowd VS Out Crowd in many popular ministries

Mesmerizing, Use of Ego/ Popular Charisma

Abuse (gender, money) I Samuel Eli 1-4

Opportunism, Using (see I Samuel Eli 1 -4 in Ministry)

Pressure, Demanded Rules to holding the people “hostage” for offerings, collections

MUCH MORE..

Also, I would advise all to BEWARE of the FOLLOWING Christian ministry /tribal, cult, fellowship described UNTRUE FRUIT:

Psalm 144:7 &11 (KJV)
7 Send thine hand from above; rid me, and deliver me out of great waters, from the hand of strange children; Whose mouth speaketh vanity,(means shallow, temporal, passing, devoid of Eternal Value) and their right hand is a right hand of falsehood. (Using false authority)

11 Rid me, and deliver me from the hand of strange children, whose mouth speaketh vanity,(means shallow, temporal, passing, devoid of Eternal Value and their right hand is a right hand of falsehood: (Using false authority)

2 Timothy 3:1-8 (KJV)

1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.(we are now in them)
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6(false governing, personal authority ) For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,** (** a new perspective, it seems these “women” had been been valued, respected or trained by the authority MEN not to be weak, self devaluing or to allow it!)
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 (undermining, using open rebellion, also opposing the Top God Called Elder with mutinous, false authority) Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.