PART 7 “THE Ai AND I” ARE YOU SUBMITTED? TO GENUINE FIRST CHURCH SUBMISSION

This PART 7 of a LONG SERiES “THE AI AND IT “ARE YOU SUBMITTED” is  a repost from 2023

BUT RIGHT BENEATH IS RECENT:

THIS PART 7 deals with ‘form of organizational government” in Christian minsitry, whereas the basis for  PART 2 deals a persons, family,marriage, male, female plus a ministers Ephesians 5:21 “submission”

PART 7 “THE Ai AND I” ARE YOU SUBMITTED? BASIC CHRISTIAN SUBMISSION OUT LINE

“Mutual submission in the reverential fear of the Lord” Ephesians 5:21
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TAVEAU ASKS CHAT GPT Ai

TD ASKS AI TO DEFINE “SUBMISSION”
Q. Please define basic “submission”

AI ANSWERS
The term “submission” can have different meanings depending on the context. Here are a few common definitions:

Act of Submitting: Submission refers to the act of presenting or offering something for consideration, judgment, or approval. It can involve providing information, documents, forms, or any other required materials to a person, organization, or system that has authority or control over the matter.

Compliance and Obedience: Submission can also refer to the state or act of complying with or obeying someone else’s authority, rules, or instructions. It implies yielding to the will or power of another person or entity.

Sports and Competitions: In the context of sports or competitions, submission typically refers to a technique or move used to force an opponent to concede defeat by tapping out or verbally acknowledging their inability to continue. In combat sports such as Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu or mixed martial arts, submission techniques aim to immobilize, control, or cause pain to the opponent, compelling them to give up.

Literary and Artistic Submissions: In creative fields, such as writing, art, or film, submission refers to the act of offering or presenting one’s work for evaluation, review, publication, or inclusion in a competition or exhibition. Artists, writers, or filmmakers may submit their work to publishers, galleries, contests, or other platforms for consideration.

Surrender or Yielding: Submission can also connote the act of surrendering, yielding, or giving in to a situation, circumstance, or dominant force. It implies accepting or accommodating a particular outcome, often with a sense of resignation or acquiescence.

The exact meaning of “submission” depends on the specific context in which it is used.

TD NEEDS AI TO CLARIFY:
Q. How does “submission” pertain in joining a ministry, fellowship or group ..define submission in that group?

 

THE AI ANSWERS:
In the context of joining a ministry, fellowship, or group, submission typically refers to the act of voluntarily placing oneself under the authority, leadership, and guidance of the group’s leaders or governing structure. It involves recognizing and respecting the established hierarchy, rules, and principles of the group and willingly adhering to them.

Here are some key aspects of submission within a ministry, fellowship, or group:

Respect for Leadership: Submission entails showing respect and deference to the leaders and authority figures within the group. This includes recognizing their positions, expertise, and responsibilities, and acknowledging their decisions and guidance.

Obedience to Guidelines: Members who are in submission adhere to the established guidelines, rules, and principles set forth by the group. They willingly follow the group’s code of conduct, protocols, and teachings, understanding that these guidelines are in place to maintain order, unity, and a shared sense of purpose.

Collaboration and Teamwork: Submission involves working collaboratively with other members of the group, recognizing the value of teamwork and the collective effort in achieving the group’s objectives. It often requires putting the interests of the group and its mission above individual preferences or ambitions.

Willingness to Serve: Those in submission willingly offer their skills, talents, and time to contribute to the needs and goals of the group. They embrace a servant-hearted attitude, seeking to support and uplift others within the group and the broader community they serve.

Openness to Correction and Growth: Submission involves being open to receiving feedback, correction, and constructive criticism from leaders and fellow members. It requires humility and a willingness to learn, grow, and adapt based on the group’s shared vision and values.
It’s important to note that submission within a ministry, fellowship, or group should be a voluntary and mutual choice, where leaders and members work together to create an environment of trust, accountability, and mutual support.

TAVEAU ASKS AI:
Q. Tell the difference in Christian Submission in a church, fellowship or group and being overly controlled, dominated, a cult and ministry that is totalitarianism and Big Boss dominating

AI ANSWERS:
Christian submission within a church, fellowship, or group is ideally based on principles of love, mutual respect, and a shared commitment to serving God and one another. It should promote a healthy sense of community, accountability, and spiritual growth.

On the other hand, being overly controlled, dominated, or part of a cult or ministry characterized by totalitarianism and a dominating “Big Boss” figure is an extreme and unhealthy deviation from the biblical concept of submission.

 

Here are some key differences:
Leadership Style: In a healthy Christian setting, leaders are expected to serve as humble and compassionate shepherds who guide, nurture, and empower the members. They lead by example and encourage individual spiritual development and personal relationship with God. In contrast, an overly controlling or dominating leadership style is characterized by manipulation, fear, coercion, and the abuse of power. It suppresses individuality, critical thinking, and personal autonomy.

Freedom of Choice and Individuality: Christian submission within a healthy church or fellowship allows for the freedom of choice and individual expression within the bounds of biblical principles and community values. Each member is encouraged to develop their unique gifts, talents, and callings.

In contrast, an environment dominated by a cult or totalitarian ministry suppresses individuality, restricts personal freedom, and demands strict conformity to the ideologies and directives of the leaders. Personal thoughts, opinions, and actions are heavily monitored and controlled.

Accountability and Transparency: In a healthy Christian setting, leaders and members are accountable to one another and operate with transparency. Decision-making processes are inclusive and involve input from various members. Leaders are open to feedback, correction, and accountability.

 

In contrast, in a controlling or cult-like environment, leaders are often inaccessible, unaccountable, and make decisions unilaterally. Information is tightly controlled, and dissent or questioning of authority is discouraged or punished.

Focus on Christ and Scripture: Christian submission within a healthy church or fellowship centers around Christ and the teachings of the Bible. The ultimate authority is God’s Word, and leaders strive to align their actions and teachings with biblical principles. In contrast, in an overly controlling or cultish environment, the focus may shift away from Christ and Scripture, and leaders may claim exclusive divine revelation or manipulate the interpretation of scriptures to maintain control and dominance.

Well-being and Personal Growth: A healthy Christian community promotes the well-being and personal growth of its members, both spiritually and emotionally. It encourages individual gifts, talents, and passions, and supports members in their personal journeys of faith. In contrast, an environment characterized by excessive control and domination may lead to psychological, emotional, and spiritual harm, stifling personal growth, and suppressing the individual’s well-being.

It’s crucial for individuals to be discerning and vigilant in evaluating the dynamics and practices within a church, fellowship, or ministry to ensure they align with healthy Christian principles of love, respect, freedom, accountability, and growth. If concerns arise about an unhealthy or abusive environment, seeking guidance from trusted spiritual advisors or professional counselors can be helpful.

TAVEAU ASKS AI:

Please define a cult, totalitarian ministry leadership, and contrast it to the atmosphere of a balanced, firm, top leader ministry office sr authority with many persons in chain of command under them and with many followers that create a need for infrastructure

AI RESPONDS:
Certainly! (yes it said that!) Let’s define cult, totalitarian ministry leadership, and contrast them with the atmosphere of a balanced, firm, top leader ministry office with a chain of command and infrastructure:

Cult:A cult refers to a group or organization characterized by extreme devotion to a particular individual, ideology, or belief system. Some defining characteristics of a cult include:

Charismatic Leader: A cult typically revolves around a charismatic leader who holds significant influence and control over the members. This leader often claims exclusive authority, divine inspiration, or special knowledge.

Manipulation and Control: Cults employ various tactics to manipulate and control their followers. These can include isolation from outside influences, strict behavioral codes, psychological manipulation, and the suppression of independent thought.

Exploitation: Cult leaders often exploit their followers financially, emotionally, or sexually for their own gain or power.

Indoctrination and Mind Control: Cults use intense indoctrination techniques to mold the beliefs, values, and behaviors of their members. These techniques may involve thought-stopping methods, groupthink, and the discouragement of critical thinking or questioning.

Totalitarian Ministry Leadership:
Totalitarian ministry leadership refers to a leadership style that exhibits strong authoritarian tendencies, exerting significant control over the organization and its members. Key characteristics may include:

Centralized Power: The leadership structure is highly centralized, with all decision-making concentrated in the hands of a few individuals. There is little to no input or influence from the lower ranks or followers.

Lack of Accountability: Leaders in a totalitarian ministry exercise power without proper checks and balances. They are not held accountable for their actions or decisions.

Suppression of Dissent: Dissent or questioning of authority is discouraged or punished. Independent thinking or differing opinions are seen as a threat and suppressed.

Fear and Coercion: Fear and coercion are used to maintain control over followers. Punitive measures, manipulation, and intimidation tactics may be employed to ensure compliance.
Limited Individuality: Individuality and personal autonomy are suppressed in favor of complete submission and conformity to the directives of the leaders.

TD ASKS AI: 

Contrast: A Balanced, Firm, Top Leader Ministry Office with Infrastructure:

AI RESPONDS:
A balanced, firm, top leader ministry office with infrastructure represents a more healthy and functional leadership model. Some characteristics may include:

Shared Decision-Making: Decision-making involves consultation and input from various individuals and levels within the organization. The top leader values collaboration and seeks wisdom from a diverse range of voices.

Accountability and Transparency: Leaders are accountable to a higher authority, such as a board of directors, governing body, or established policies. They operate transparently, communicating openly with their subordinates and maintaining integrity in their actions.

Respect for Individuality: The leadership acknowledges and encourages the unique gifts, talents, and contributions of individuals within the organization. They value personal growth and development.

Balanced Authority and Empowerment: While the top leader holds authority, they also empower and delegate responsibilities to others in the organization. This encourages leadership development and shared ownership.

Infrastructure and Organizational Support: A well-established infrastructure provides the necessary systems, resources, and support to facilitate the smooth functioning of the ministry. This includes clear lines of communication, administrative processes, and appropriate training programs.

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In summary, a cult and a totalitarian ministry leadership exhibit manipulative, controlling, and exploitative characteristics, while a balanced, firm, top leader ministry office values collaboration, accountability, individuality, and the development of its members. Additionally, it provides the necessary infrastructure to support the organization’s mission and operations.

 

TD ADDS HER OWN POINT

CERTAIN FRUITS OF CHRISTIAN BIG BOSS DOCTRINES
“If we walk in the light as He is in the light, then we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.” – 1 John 1:7

In light of the modern tendency for some groups or ministries to protect their own turf, exert excessive control, and promote a cult-like exclusivity, it is important to reflect on the latter part of this significant verse. By refusing to interact, respect, relate to, and value others, one is essentially prioritizing their own self-interests and divisions over the pure acceptance and unity found in Jesus. This solemnly implies that if we are not walking in the light and respecting one another, we are distancing ourselves from the healthy, safe, and life-saving power of the blood of Jesus.

Furthermore, this verse suggests that intentionally withholding relationships, especially after advertising a ministry that claims to respect the fellowship of Christ, while simultaneously benefiting from the offerings of others, is indicative of false teaching or a group that does not truly embody the principles of Christ.

 

It is important to recognize that witchcraft (I Samuel 15:23, Matthew 7:21-23 unrighteous iniquity), characterized by false authority and fear-based control, often accompanies such behavior, along with the scowls and accusations of ambitious leaders promoting their own agendas rooted in outdated and oppressive doctrines.

In contrast, true fellowship and unity are built upon walking in the light, respecting one another, and embracing the pure heart of Jesus, which is accepting and valuing all individuals. It is crucial to discern and reject any teachings or groups that deviate from these principles, as they distort the essence of Christ’s message and hinder the genuine growth and unity of the body of believers.

SPECIFIC TYPES OF MINISTRY AUTHORITY

TD NEEDS TO CLARIFY
Q. How does a christian ministry system, algorithm difference from a fellowship. cult, totalitarian sect?

Ai ANSWERS
A Christian ministry system, algorithm, fellowship, cult, and totalitarian sect can have distinct characteristics and purposes. Let’s explore their differences:

Christian Ministry System: A Christian ministry system typically refers to an organized structure within the Christian faith that aims to serve and spread the teachings of Christianity. It may consist of various departments, teams, or individuals working together to fulfill a specific mission or purpose. Ministries can focus on activities such as worship, evangelism, community service, education, or pastoral care. The emphasis is on promoting the teachings of Jesus Christ and helping individuals grow spiritually.

Algorithm: An algorithm, in a general sense, is a set of step-by-step instructions or rules followed to solve a specific problem or accomplish a task. In the context of a Christian ministry system, an algorithm may refer to the strategic planning or decision-making process used to guide the ministry’s operations.

 

It could involve identifying target populations, determining outreach methods, allocating resources, and evaluating effectiveness. Algorithms can help streamline processes and provide a systematic approach to ministry activities.

Fellowship: Fellowship in a Christian context typically refers to a group of believers who come together to encourage, support, and spiritually uplift one another. It often involves gathering for communal worship, prayer, studying the Bible, and fostering a sense of community.

Fellowships can exist within larger churches or as independent groups. The focus is on building relationships, mutual edification, and living out Christian values together.

Cult: A cult is a term that is often used to describe a religious or spiritual group that exhibits certain negative characteristics.

Cults are typically characterized by authoritarian leadership, manipulation, coercion, isolation from mainstream society, and the exploitation of members. They may employ mind control techniques, restrict personal freedom, and demand unquestioning loyalty. Cults often deviate from established religious traditions and may emphasize the authority of a charismatic leader or the exclusivity of their beliefs.

Totalitarian Sect: A totalitarian sect, similar to a cult, is a religious group that exercises strict control over its members’ lives and often seeks to dominate or control society at large. Totalitarian sects typically have a highly centralized structure with an authoritative leader who governs with absolute power.

 

They often suppress dissent, restrict individual freedoms, and demand complete obedience to their doctrine. Such sects are known for their oppressive and manipulative tactics and may pose a threat to personal autonomy and human rights.

It’s important to note that while the terms “cult” and “totalitarian sect” carry negative connotations due to their association with harmful practices, not all Christian ministries or fellowships fall into these categories.

PLEASE POINT OUT..that the vast majority of Christian ministries and fellowships operate within ethical and moral boundaries, emphasizing love, compassion, and the teachings of Jesus Christ.

 

MINISTRY FORM AND THEIR MONEY
TAVEAU ASKS AI:
Q.Is there a difference emphasis and priority on income, revenue in any of the following MORE than the others Christian ministry system, algorithm, church, minsitry fellowship, cult, hierchal bureaucracy or totalitarian sect?

Ai ANSWERS
The emphasis and priority placed on income and revenue can vary among the different entities you mentioned. Here’s a general overview of how these groups may approach financial matters:

Christian Ministry System/Church: Christian ministry systems and churches can have a wide range of approaches when it comes to income and revenue. While they do require financial resources to support their activities and maintain their facilities, their primary focus is typically on fulfilling their spiritual mission, serving their communities, and spreading the teachings of Christianity.

Churches often rely on donations from their members and may engage in fundraising efforts to support their operations, charitable initiatives, and outreach programs. However, the primary emphasis is generally on spiritual growth and the well-being of their congregations.

Algorithm: Algorithms, as computational processes, do not inherently have a focus on income or revenue. They are sets of instructions used to solve problems or accomplish tasks efficiently.

However, if an algorithm is developed and implemented within a commercial or business context, there may be an emphasis on optimizing revenue generation or cost-efficiency. In such cases, the algorithm may be designed to enhance marketing strategies, improve sales processes, or automate financial calculations. The financial focus would stem from the broader business goals rather than the algorithm itself.

Ministry Fellowship: Ministry fellowships, similar to Christian ministry systems, are typically focused on spiritual growth, community, and mutual support among their members. While they may require financial resources to sustain their activities, the emphasis on income and revenue would generally be secondary to their primary mission of fostering spiritual development and building relationships.

Cult/Totalitarian Sect: Cults or totalitarian sects may differ significantly from traditional Christian ministries or fellowships in their approach to finances. In some cases, these groups may prioritize accumulating wealth and exerting control over their members’ financial resources.

They may employ coercive tactics to extract money from their followers, using manipulative strategies such as demanding excessive donations, pressuring members to sell their assets, or exploiting their vulnerability for financial gain. Accumulating wealth and maintaining control over resources can be central to the agenda of such groups, often serving the interests of the leaders rather than the spiritual well-being of the members.

Hierarchical Bureaucracy: A hierarchical bureaucracy, in a general sense, refers to an organizational structure with multiple levels of authority and decision-making. It does not inherently prioritize income or revenue.

However, in some cases, religious organizations or administrative bodies within the hierarchy may focus on financial aspects, such as budgeting, financial planning, and resource allocation. The emphasis on income and revenue within a hierarchical bureaucracy would depend on the specific goals and priorities set by the organization or leadership.

It’s important to note that the emphasis on income and revenue can vary greatly within each of these entities, and the presence of financial considerations does not necessarily imply negative intentions or practices. However, it is crucial to exercise discernment and evaluate any group’s actions and teachings to ensure alignment with ethical and moral standards.

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CHRISTIAN MEN AND WOMEN’S EXCLUSIVE MINISTRY CLUBS, GROUPS
TAVEAU ASKS AI:

Ai, please define “cronyism” Boys Club “ Boys will be Boys in modern day Christian leadership

 

AI RESPONDS:

“Cronyism” refers to the practice of favoring close friends or associates, typically by granting them positions of power, influence, or opportunities, often without regard for their qualifications or abilities. It involves the prioritization of personal relationships over merit or fairness in decision-making processes.

The term “Boys Club” is commonly used to describe an exclusive social or professional network composed predominantly of men who support and promote each other’s interests, often to the exclusion or detriment of women or other marginalized groups. It implies a closed circle where access and opportunities are limited to a select few based on their gender or personal connections, reinforcing gender bias and inequality.

The phrase “Boys will be Boys” is a cultural stereotype and often a dismissive justification for certain behaviors associated with males, particularly in situations involving misconduct, irresponsibility, or inappropriate actions. It suggests that such behavior is to be expected or excused as a natural or inevitable consequence of being male.

In the context of modern-day Christian leadership, these terms highlight certain problematic tendencies that can occur within religious institutions or organizations.
Christian leadership should ideally be characterized by qualities such as integrity, fairness, inclusivity, and a commitment to serving others.

However, when cronyism, the Boys Club mentality, or the “Boys will be Boys” attitude seep into Christian leadership, it can undermine the principles of fairness, equality, and ethical conduct that should guide such leadership roles.

These practices can result in exclusionary decision-making processes, unequal opportunities for women or other individuals from marginalized groups, and a culture that tolerates or perpetuates misconduct or inappropriate behavior.

They can hinder the growth and effectiveness of Christian leadership by limiting diverse perspectives, undermining accountability, and fostering an environment that is not conducive to the teachings of love, justice, and service espoused by the Christian faith.

TAVEAUS ASK AI TO BE MORE SPECIFIC REGARDING GROUPS:
Ai, please define a Boys Club, cronyism and clique. And also do any of these has a exclusive, “respecter of pet persons’ cult like feel

Ai REPLIES:
 Let’s define each term:

Boys Club: Boys Club refers to an exclusive social or professional network composed predominantly of men who support and promote each other’s interests. It implies a closed circle where access and opportunities are limited to a select few based on their gender or personal connections, often excluding or marginalizing women or individuals from other groups.

The Boys Club mentality perpetuates gender bias and can result in unequal treatment and opportunities within a particular setting or organization.

Cronyism: Cronyism is the practice of favoring close friends or associates, typically by granting them positions of power, influence, or opportunities, regardless of their qualifications.
It involves prioritizing personal relationships over merit or fairness in decision-making processes. Cronyism often leads to nepotism, where individuals in power grant favorable treatment to their family members or close associates.***

***This practice can create an environment of unfairness, where deserving individuals are overlooked in favor of personal connections.

Clique: A clique refers to a small, exclusive group of people who associate closely and often engage in activities or conversations together. Cliques can form in various social contexts, such as schools, workplaces, or social circles.

These groups may develop a strong sense of camaraderie and shared interests, but they can also create a sense of exclusion for those who are not part of the group. In some cases, cliques may engage in behavior that perpetuates exclusivity, such as withholding information or deliberately excluding others from opportunities.

TD ASKS.

ARE ANY OF THESE “CULT LIKE?”

 

AI REPLIES
Regarding the question of a cult-like feel, it is possible for any of these dynamics (Boys Club, cronyism, or cliques) to develop a cult-like atmosphere.

This occurs when an exclusive group exhibits intense loyalty, unwavering adherence to certain beliefs or practices, and a disregard for dissenting opinions. In such cases, the group may isolate itself from external influences, discourage critical thinking, and suppress individuality.

This kind of environment can be detrimental, stifling personal growth, fostering an unhealthy power dynamic, and inhibiting transparency and accountability.

However, it’s important to note that not all instances of Boys Club, cronyism, or cliques necessarily have a cult-like feel, as the severity and characteristics can vary depending on the specific context.

(TD’S own definition prior to AI )

TAVEAU ASKS AI
Q. Within the Christian ministry, fellowship and wide community how does cronyism , Boys (or Girls) Clubs, and cliques compare to model of Christ , Paul and the first 12 apostles?
Q. What is the difference in the classic, traditional “fellowship with the saints” and those normal/human traits?

AI RESPONDS:
In comparing cronyism, Boys or Girls Clubs, and cliques within Christian ministry, fellowship, and the wider community to the example of Christ, Paul, and the first 12 apostles, there are notable differences.

Christ, Paul, and the Apostles: The example set by Jesus Christ, Paul, and the early apostles emphasized humility, servanthood, and inclusivity.

They prioritized the spread of the Gospel, the well-being of the Church, and the edification of believers. Their leadership was characterized by love, integrity, and a commitment to serving others selflessly.

Cronyism: Cronyism, which involves favoring personal relationships over qualifications, goes against the principles of equality, fairness, and impartiality taught by Christ and exemplified by the apostles.

The early apostolic leadership was focused on appointing individuals based on their spiritual gifts, character, and qualifications, rather than personal connections or preferences.

Boys or Girls Clubs: Boys or Girls Clubs, which create exclusive circles and limit opportunities based on gender, are contrary to the biblical teachings of equality and inclusivity. In the early Christian community, both men and women were valued and had significant roles in ministry.

For instance, Paul acknowledged and praised the contributions of women like Phoebe, Priscilla, and Junia, among others.

Cliques: While cliques can naturally form within social contexts, they can become problematic within Christian fellowship if they foster exclusivity, create divisions, or prioritize personal agendas over the unity of believers. The early Church, as depicted in the New Testament, emphasized the importance of unity, mutual love, and support among believers, irrespective of their backgrounds or social groups.

In contrast to cronyism, Boys or Girls Clubs, and cliques, Christian fellowship with the saints is characterized by love, mutual respect, and a shared commitment to the teachings of Christ. It encourages inclusivity, support, and edification of one another.

The early Christian community fostered a sense of unity, where members were devoted to prayer, worship, teaching, and caring for one another.

In summary, cronyism, Boys or Girls Clubs, and cliques within Christian ministry and fellowship do not align with the examples and teachings of Christ, Paul, and the early apostles. Instead, Christian traits emphasize humility, servanthood, inclusivity, and unity among believers.

ALL OF THE ABOVE MANY COMMENTS ARE “SUBMITTED” AS BODY OF CHRIST SELAH

“Only IF and WHEN any type of shoe fits, should any fellow Christian attempt to wear one”

Sincerely< TD (See Ephesians 5:21 Body of Christian Submission in depth explained in the PART 2 of this )

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