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ARE WE EACH ORDERED TO “SUBMIT TO ONE STYLE OF CHRISTIAN LEADER ONLY?
The Fall of An Ambitious Ministry Empire
“All one for all all for one ”
Famous 3 Musketeers (history) (similar to Paul Ephesians 4)
VERSUS
“All for one, one for all, and every man for himself”
Famous 3 Stooges, More Modern, Reflects Now
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MY OLD NEMESIS “The Dark Demon Spying Treacherous Religious Spirit..refusing to one to one to one RELATE, CONFER or Holy Bible Fear of the Lord “up front maturely confront”
Denzel Washington, the Christian actor wisely puts it:
” Some people don’t like you because you trouble their demons“
(means: evidently MANY people go through this same hiding avoidant weak wuss like trash)
Note: Before we begin with more dark observations of “LP Submissionite,” often meaning ministry, I want to acknowledge the many servant leaders in the Body of Christ, many safe big and small Christian ministries, lay sound genuine true persons. These are folks who respect, accept, and relate to all, without bias, stereotyping, or playing peculiar End Times mind games. They use true, acceptable First Church doctrines, without any false religion, demonic control, or targeting racism, demeaning bias, and/or misogyny. Most of them keep the “joy of the Lord” (Hebrews 1:9), which is noticeable even to a new visitor. I would say, across the wide board, that most seen as denominational, “Holy Remnant” servant leaders, spirit-filled, resemble that (unless you get a few Bible thumpers).
Yet sadly, the following ministry styles have needs, issues, and hopeless fruits of legalistic dysfunction. And while I shall not name famous names, wise groups, or persons, I will fully discuss the fruits which are dysfunctional, demonic, and affect “going to Church to fellowship with the Saints” (Hebrews 10:25), which is my particular, also hard one turf.
FOR THE SAKE OF THE GOOD SAFE NAME OF JESUS, THE TRUE OFFICE MINISTERS, THE LAY AND THE FUTURE CHURCH (it this vast group ALLOWS us to have one)
In the late 1980s, we relocated to a rural area. As a senior office leader with my own ministry, I had many years of prior experience, but in a different part of the area. All of that had been mostly fun, respectful, non-evasive, and upfront professional. By evaluation, it seemed more formally trained and more humble. Also, I am “not a novice” and knew way back that I was on a commissioned unique call to surf and study the United States’ many ministry leader doctrines. While I don’t “look the kind,” I am that kind.
God had clued me in that in doing that body surfing, I would one day come forth with a national unifying movement. Having been raised well by family Bible scholars, and my senior pastor father and mother giving me a healthy role model for “not backing under the OT law” for males and females, plus “all races are equal,” I understand that I am, was a national sent person, and know my doctrines. I am also trained to respect and regard all in-place boundaries, which is the professional in family, business, ministry. Yet, I’d never been around many tongue talkers. But the ones I had been around had been mannerly, reserved, and servant leaders, not seeking to be the next worldwide well-known and famous.
I also had an area-wide sort of “board” (some official, others not) that I purposely checked in with, asked questions, and thought of the many varied “Christian male authority teachings” (many of which are quite popular today, were only just beginning to surface where I lived in Central VA), and none of my Christian ministry peer family, the board, the wise advisors, each of whom “knew me,” thought of me as fine. And all pastors, fellow leaders, my staff, and many acquaintances, each of whom were strong believers, ever touched on the Christian ministry governing topic of “covering,” “submission,” “being under one local area pastor,” or anything that smacked of the Law.
I stem from a mature, blessed, also godly, contented, mostly well-off family of precious servant leaders, Bible-teaching, and curious “natural” real people. And once again, not a one of them was a WELP or WELM who ever commanded or suggested to me anything about the topic of “ministry, persona, woman leader” submission. That was not a topic to even be noted, as not a one of these was “back under the Old Timey Law.”
So I was in rude culture shock for what eventually happened. And it has taken me 20 some years to discern my part in it, Bible doctrines, their untrue part in it, and a lot more!
It was not until later, when I was under giant attack in my private life: walking on eggshells, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde dysfunction, also raising two children, trying to keep a marriage together and not get beaten up or worn fully down… when I was “led” by the Holy Ghost to study the long-worshipping ministry LP groups (did not use that term at first, for I saw nothing that appeared to be very wrong, as it was less joyful and far more navel-gazing, meaning “melancholy” and pensive… the opposite of word faith, Vineyard, denominationals, black and white usual Christian ministry subcultures, which I had studied prior to then.
So I did not ever judge. I just was curious, for that helped me picture Creator Maker God, who in his PRE-GENESIS “Let there be light” (which I pictured as His Designer, Creator, Artist, Architect, sober thinking evaluating big Science, pre-creation on His Drawing Board and contemplating THE EARTH, CHRIST RECONCILIATION BIG GAME PLAN…
PRE-GENESIS (THE CREATIVE MASTER DESIGNER TYPE B) But then later Bible begins, Genesis Creation is “spoken into being”… it was then I pictured The Holy Eternal God “rising up, standing up, speaking out” in an assertive, active, more TYPE A mode… all of which was devoid of “commanded” other persons business watching and the doctrines of “who’s over whom” and the Law, which brings to mind a bit of humor.
Q. WHO’S ON FIRST? JESUS
Q. WHO’S OVER WHOM? NOT NEARLY AS IMPORTANT
Sr Pastor Taveau
Therefore, my experience in life as a born-again Christian, a Christian pure-hearted office minister, parent, and teacher was not reared around nor under this fine arts teaching. Neither of my senior pastor parents ever mentioned it once. I simply did not know it was the required rules of LP country backwoods law.
For I was raised “liberated” by both of my skilled, smart, happy camper leader parents. And when “women’s lib” began to surface, I wondered why and thought (way back then) that they were off… but that was before I went to discover LP patriarchy, matriarchy, and old-timey misogynist Levitical letter of the covering law in giant, vast, enormous powerful numbers, in what I assess as mostly famous celebrity, the “ministry office white patriarchy,” many of whom have no clue about deep respect, but rather it’s about “mammon-centric” turf protecting, many persons fine arts owning.
Yet, I indeed owe some of these a lot for the long worship, save me (often preserved me, healed me, touched me) from the dysfunctional hellish real-life stress of living in big (about 25 years) in off and on again, deep emotional abuse (also word of faith, minus materialism). And I took that and learned about life and ministry and more of God’s powerful joyful inward witness of His Holy Spirit. Kudos… until it was so misogynist, king ego, and elite in the deep south worship, eventual “respecters of persons” fine cliques, clans, clubs, cults, and ministry achievement chief systems, and also “occult systems, presumptive faraway witch-watching, dark scanning but with no ‘confronting, chatting to confirm’ (this is accuser evil).
FINDING ISIAHA5:20 “WOE”
* “you call good evil and evil good”
By the Narrow Way, starting in the mid to late 1990s, out of state, around the nation, in my former home state, but only by these false doctrinal practitioners, and I did not understand what or why I was beginning to “see” this. And it was in the midst of LP these, that I found that I would repeatedly targeted as “wicked,” “unsubmitted.”
You may ask WHY, HOW? For sitting there in calm, mature, experienced, approachable, loving fruit of abiding James 3:17, resembling what the Bible describes as “the wisdom from on high.” Let me list it for all of the knee-jerk reactionary “these”:
Pure
Peaceable
Easily Entreated
Full of Mercy
Good Fruits (Galatians 5:22-23, calm fruits of the Spirit)
Without Partiality (regards all sorts of persons..nations, races, ages, sizes, genders, looks,etc) as deserving “Christ’s” also “their” respect, does not play leader favorites, has no “respecter of persons” warring biased real spirit)
Without Hypocrisy (not two faced, phoney, poser, “they smile to you face, but later word curse, lie, be the backstabber).
Discernment (evaluation, assessment of the new, repeat attender, female, male, old, very young, each race, look and “vibe”). Pure Peaceable Easily Entreated Full of Mercy Good Fruits (Galatians 5:22-23, calm fruits of the Spirit) Without Partiality Without Hypocrisy (means available to converse and relate, approachable).
Prior to that, I, who understand or know any who ever brought “submission” (for it was understood, that one defers, and a couple is married, he is the head of home in chain of command, “happy collaborative” teamwork/collaborer which is Ephesians 5:21, then 22).
So now I address
So, the discovery of what I know determine to be “word curse, harlot spying “GOTCHA PHARISEE” “finger pointing, (covering “BEING SUBMITTED” (to them) fault finding, plus jumping in a public setting with no prior warning or confrontation, chatting..is ENTIRELY BIG BOSS Hick..dug in country law, attacking worried ministry female bias, jumping, targeting, to control. Hence, I address why I feel for the deep grass every time I doctrinally teach this. I imagine all of those nice real persons suffering. Also, I am online, as I feel that is one way to reach them in many parts of the country and comfort them, give them Bible ammunition to withstand and be demeaned!
I never “knew” that would be a “risk” for many unique types, styles, looks, of humans to simply want to know about long good worship and the book of Acts, moving in the gifts. Yet, that is precisely where I encountered this prying, leader aggressive, ducking and avoiding “all relationship,” totalitarian turf guarding, “possessing and owning,” seers gone fully wild, elite and authoritarian, patriarchal and matriarchal, “hoity-toity” type covering doctrine!
As a result of this ministry finding, I value the Grass Roots (non famous) turf where going to Church meets this and all forces of both Good and many Evil..as we live now, in the Last Days “perilious” times which Apostle Paul described as “From such away” and I have from this mean methodology, dehumanizing, objectifying and more and more seeming dysfunctional DEEP SOUTH Disrespect.
Hebrews 10:25 the apostolic command “do not forsake fellowshipping with the saints as some have.”
Yet, “the craggy, accusing Old Timey Pharisee frowning (white auguste finely tuned overseer male) legalistic finger-pointing view of ‘Do not forsake fellowship with the saints as some have’ yet, it is turned, perverted to ‘their’ being in top dog authority control… (which is about their money!) and such is the elite ‘you are not submitted’ (weak, big boy) mantra… (as a senior Christian true minister: ‘you are not submitted to a famous nationally known minister, like I am, we are’). Hence, we target you, put you on the blackball list, and name you as a ‘false prophet’ (like these do continually!). Also, if you are a non-LP woman, they far off ‘read you,’ discuss you… without ever speaking or getting close enough to know you (meaning in order to verify ‘what they feel they have discerned in your deepest private heart, soul, character’). And then label you around the wide area (amongst their own witch-calling specific kind) as a ‘charismatic witch,’ ‘dominating Queen Jezebel,’ ‘sleeping with men,’ and/or ‘unsubmitted and out of order.’
It’s fully odd, very unsafe, ministry disrespectful, and hardcore LP toxic (non-servant leaders!) damning, demonic overseer Pharisee too much ‘religion.’
Please note, if they would just prophetic diagnose us, not like us, and think that we are each ‘wrong,’ is one ministry type of thing, which is fine. However, this group repeatedly picks out people in the wide community who are not under them (let me specify ‘who not their family, friends, close acquaintances, nor in their prophetic movement, not a member of their fellowship, pastors group, or anything…). That is the really big mega point!
They go out their way to believe THEY OWN US ONE AND ALL (no relationship, zero respect, just one more donating piece of WELP, WELP ELITE’s TURF, PROPERTY,
THIS IS FALSE AUTHORITY..it is NOT IN LINE with Bible protocol OR GOOD SAFE FIRST CHURCH HOLY GHOST SCRIPTURE
HENCE I am calling it OUT as WHITE WITCHCRAFT and offer St Pauls’ FLEE FROM THIS FRUIT 2 (safety) commands
They go out of their way to believe the ‘evil report’ and seem convinced that “THEY ” own us..’for being in their presence’ (so regal) for it is Big Boss and arrived..so it’s not genuinely about “Jesus’ but about “each one of them” and WE are their prize property, turf, and a cultish slave owners, there is “Lord and Master” over the feudal surfs. one and all (no relationship, judging, accusing, spreading false witness without ANY Galatians 6:1, no Matthew 18:15-16 true “relationship respect ‘up front” calm, private, one on one “first church protocol “CONFRONTATION..” No, to the System owners, we’re on more “donating” piece PROPERTY..which is demanded as the Price seen Fit to Pay to be ALLOWED to ATTEND this powerful Elite form of Jesus “EPHESIANS 1:6 (poor me, pitiful) unkind”Big Boss Duly Beloved’).
This is use of “vain false authority.” It is not in line with Bible protocol or good, safe First Church Holy Ghost scripture.
Hence, I am calling it “out” as white witchcraft and offer St. Paul’s “flee from this fruit” (safety) commands.
NOTE, however, that while I am pin pointing many deep STRONGHOLDS I choose to refrain from naming these human persons, ministry groups but I might, they intentionally area, USA target this.
2 Timothy 3:1-5:
“This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.”
1 Timothy 6:5:
“Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.”
And I give all of this to each of these as a WARNING.
CONTRAST: THE SUBMISSION TO “ONE MINISTRY WORSHIP CULT TURF” AS COMPARED TO EPHESIANS 4 TRANSFORMED (ALSO SOCIETY EFFECTING!) APOSTLE PURE COMMUNITY
These “Submission” WELP accusing ole boy country law legalistic mantra: “You are not submitted,” “covered under a pastor of local church,” “You are in rebellion to (each of our brand of) spiritual authority,” “You are a church hopper,” and many Leviathan-type governing more.
PC charismatic “old-timey Phariseeism” Western European Levitical (“Heil” the 3rd Reich leader) patriarchy… and their severe patrolling tattletale “matriarchy (most appear to come from the Teutonic ancestry) following USA 30-some-year up-close quality survey, FRUIT “no holy fear of the Lord,” genuine respect; it’s more about gifts, talents, being known but putting on a great music time. PERCEIVER-DISCERNERS ARE GONE “AWRY,” take 2 Kings 6:12 into the witchcraft occult (mind divining, more).
CONCLUSION: I BELIEVE THESE “THINK” THEY ARE AKIN TO PROPHET ELISHA IN THEIR PROWESS
2 Kings 6:12 (KJV) of the Bible reads:
“And one of his servants said, None, my lord, O king: but Elisha, the prophet that is in Israel, telleth the king of Israel the words that thou speakest in thy bedchamber.”
“true Holy Ghost prophet” “Bible prophetic seer” YET HOW did Elisha “know” ?
TEACHING TRUE VERSUS FALSE
I.E. WHEN making the big Choice, “whom we follow” “whom we sit under” “whom we recommend’ who’s counsels and advice, training we heed and accept and trust and follow”
I asked the Lord about the continually local and online media publicly decrying anyone per whomever believes differently than they (nobody is off limits, I even saw someone go after Rev. Billy Graham). For it is the common style now to call out, publicly name, accuse many of being “the most recent batch of” of “the false prophets” (also, teachers, apostles, etc.).
And I sought the Lord 2-3 years ago about “how” to address this, to train this…
And the Lord impressed me with this logic, which I now submit as respectful quality Selah to the Body of Christ for you must hear for yourself! First: Jesus Christ was, is the only 250% true office prophet, teacher, pastor, apostle, witnessing evangelistic.
Second: Apostle Paul admits he was human and wanted God’s people to hear God for themselves. He told the First Church to examine his character and apostolic ministry teachings, “know me, know my lifestyle, know my lifestyle.” Plus, he commended the Berean Jews who compared his teachings with the “Scriptures” to see if they lined up. Mature Paul called them “noble” Bereans for doing that.
St. Paul also commanded the new church to “follow me only as I follow Christ” and to “work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” And doing this is what I believe also and endorse through EORR CROSS BODY UNITY now move. (It’s the fruit, not the loot in his “his” ministry move).
Third: And if we are to judge “false prophets,” “false teachers,” and false prophets based on the “fruit,” then what about these and mega grandiose the sum of this “character, abiding relationship respect, wholesome quality, as well as the “relationship with God’s humans and his money”? Note the I Samuel Eli Model (LP abuse, using, accusing, and big opportunists via the high office of God’s temple minister) I Samuel 1-3 (fruit that brought down the high called temple ministers). God destroyed them, in order to let His New Move come forward, which was, at that time, the first prophet of the nation of Israel, Samuel.
Last (what follows is “given from the Lord” yet in non-spooky, sound, wise logic. It uses each person’s heart in a relationship with both God, themselves, the Bible, and perhaps fellowshipping true persons to “iron sharpens iron with” and ask many verifying, confirming big questions).
CALLING OUT “FALSE APOSTLES, FALSE KNOWN MINISTERS”
THE LORD’S LOGIC: meaning IT’S EACH OF YOUR CHOICE
- We must understand that while many people call themselves Christian leaders, Bible teachers, senior pastors, evangelists, pure office prophets, chief apostles (male, female, black, brown, white), not all of these are true.
- Frankly, one and all will be missing it, off, in error in some way or another (this includes me and every single human soul of the many of you).
- With that being said, then I felt impressed by the Lord to say it like this (this is a supreme example of “working out your own salvation” with God’s divine directing help): Thus, you pray, seek God, then only go where, when, if, how often God says to sit under someone’s Bible training ministry. This includes going to a church, conference, fellowship, revival, outpouring, gathering, plus/or tuning in on TV, media.
- When you go, listen out for the apparent leader doctrine (how does it compare with First Church, not back under the OT Levitical Law which accuses in these Christian ministry days). Also, watch for the non-critical accepting (but not PC compromising) pure fruit. I believe that the key persons (all styles, races, genders, looks, social strata, gifted or not) look for how well they respect and value all the persons. That gives you a big hint.
- Note their comments which signify their pet Bible beliefs, theology which are often their big small ministry doctrines. However, it’s between you and your Bible, your tender discerning conscience, and the Holy Spirit to warn you, direct, and teach you what is true and false. Some may be bothered by some groups, pastors, teachers, while others may not be bothered by these exact same persons, due to their own beliefs, maturity, ability to discern true from false, and more (might be bias toward them, blind). However, I do not accuse these but try to equip.
Pure example: One pastor, ministry, leader, lay may not believe in going to the movies, watching R-rated movies/Netflix. I personally do not want to go to movies to support them, nor do I watch much Netflix (I do like fun, some of the mysteries, but I have to be careful due to the shocking nudity and more which they now feature in nearly anything, it really does bother me. Also, violence, gore, death, the dystopian move), for even in the 2-4 years, grown worse and worse. But that is my choice, you make your own before the Lord.
Note: While there is always going to be some true (even mostly nearly perfect), the human leader will eventually show imperfections, so just bear with that, realizing you yourself could be worse.
- After you test drive, listen closely, and you feel your heart feels comfortable in returning, remaining, and accepting the leader’s teachings, their elders, staff teaching, etc., then you may remain until God quickens you that they are too off for you to remain, as your conscience is bothered, upset, even burdened, or outright fearing for your own safety (let your heart be your guide).
QUESTIONS:Ask Sister T as experiences a lot of this (knows /has the “purely by grace given, as per the God choice, need to inform, which is a NON witchcraft, NON MIND READING or PSYCHIC new age, false religion, mystical, ESP sound gift).
However, happily I survived this and lived to reprove..with NO HARD FEELINGS yet with a HUGE POWERFUL distrust, at least for now (means UNTIL, UNLESS these repent and clean up their doctrinal, relationship Fruit)
Yet, all of this, consulting, training, and a movement ,diverse EORR CROSS BODY UNITY, also the fellowships and more and come out of this and soon the CBU TEAMMATE UNIVERSITY!
So all is well.
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