WHEN DOES FREEDOM FROM “BEING UNDER THE LAW” GIVE PASTORS FREEDOM TO USE LICENSE?

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NOTE: this was first posted July 8,2015 www.creativeorganicleader.com

““They circled around the wilderness for 40 long years looking for revival, when all of that pioneering leader time GOD had been “into” ALL RELATIONSHIPS.” Pure hearted LUKE 1:17

THIS IS A DEEP SOUTHWEST REGION IN CHRISTIAN MINISTRY SPAWNED SELAH

MAKING IT KNOWN:(Real well know reason: due to their being so many Poor Pitiful weary Little ME ministers, who rationalize NOT listening, NOT taking in anything that even mildly HINTS at “personal self reflection’ “potentially making actual ministry change”who avoid ALL but BLESS ME, WE and NO MORE” BIBLE MINISTRY….

…..add to this a mixture which also can include COVERING, GREAT GRANTED “GREASY” GRACE and many other DOCTRINES are creating a DOUBLE TONGUED, SHIFTING AVOIDING ACCOUNTABILITY MANIPULATIVE “SUBPOCKETS” of TV MEDIA SELF SEEKING who clearly avoid now due to either POOR PARENT HERO ROLE MODELS, and /or to never been held directly accountable as young children, AND /OR who are simply self absorded or even WORSE “having fallen into what the Bible states is a “REPROBATE LEADER MIND.””MINISTRY SHEEP VERSUS BIG GOATS” and “WHEAT EXISTING SIDE BY SIDE WITH HUGE TARES”

AND I am NOT here to judge ANY OTHER ONE..only GOD should be able to do that..YET….there are BIBLE PASSAGES which tell us to actively JUDGE “THEM” by their “FRUITS” which the writer every so often..and BIBLE FRUITS come from TRUE or FALSE USE OF BIBLE SCRIPTURES but also from the HEART CONDITION of the MINISTER/LAY /HOME real life (professing to be God called, “born again” ) HUMANS.

AND, MIND MANY OF YOU, THAT HISTORICALLY, …THERE IS SUCH A ORGANIC IN THE BIBLE THING as the SOLEMN APOSTOLIC/ PROPHETIC WORD FROM THE LORD…

SO here it now goes.

ALSO, DEAR READER… Please note; that when/as the leader writer shares from her own personal real life grass roots experience, that she has allowed God to free her from HUMAN PLEASING and does not take any of these shared real life experiences PERSONALLY as God has showed her that HE had sent HER (and many many atypical kinds of ministry mainstream and non, others) as Secret Doctrinal Shoppers ..hence each grass roots level is viewed on behalf of many many silent “fellowship attending” “abiding” various OTHERS who may have have the courage, doctrines or God’s CALLING to speak out ..but this is now being related to PROTECT the Silent Sufferers in many of God’s Spooky Houses ..but also to submit a HEADS UP to the AMAZING TRUE BLUE GENUINE AUTHENTIC (NONUSERS), FULLY IN THE FEAR OF THE LORD…ACTUAL 5 FOLD OFFICES (the many He’s and many She’s)..

SUBMITTED IN JAMES 3:17 SUBMITTED APOSTOLIC MINISTRY SELAH

WHEN DOES FREEDOM FROM BEING “UNDER THE LAW” GIVE PASTORS FREEDOM TO TAKE LICENSE?
A Cutting* Edge Is Balance Open Ended Ministry Self Ponder
(* or in some grass roots apostolic circles…a CUNNING Edge…)

“For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.” I SAMUEL 15:23

“The local middle income, working class, grass roots urban, rural leader is not surrounded by handlers, bodyguards, many levels of buffering people, staff..so they are able to see what actually goes on in REAL LIFE apart from ELEVATED MINISTRY (EX: interact with, mingle about with, in effect (for good and for bad) rub soft shoulders with.” IFFM Taveau D’Arcy Leadership

“For the very first time in my entire LONG LEADER LIFE the shocking words “MINISTRY BABYLON” suddenly and ever so softly appeared (more than a deep southwest few times) into my non accusing trusting hearing perceiver heart.”* but this is NOT meaning ALL, and it strongly implies that A LOT OF NEGATIVE ACTIVITY is going on that will make OTHERS believe it is YOU who are TRUE and SINCERE are also JUST LIKE “MB” THEM. Will to TEACH HEALTHY BIBLE DOCTRINES (without ACCUSING), WILL to submit to God’s Whole Bible Counsel (includes PROV 1:7)

USE OF “MINISTRY BABYLON” VOCABULARY: *PLEASE NOTE,that the writer does NOT want YOU to use that term MINISTRY BABLYON to accuse using any religious superior , unjust SPIRIT…it is also NOT like she ever in the past has ever SPOKEN or even spiritually leader THOUGHT. So she shares the term to awaken and alarm to REALITY of (presuming) MASS MEDIA, TV, LIGHTS, CAMERAS, ACTION, FAMOUS WELL KNOWN PASTORS, MINISTRY PERCEIVED PERKS, YOU TUBE, FACEBOOK FAN FOLLOWERS which now affect and AFFLICT as they are INFECTING the deep Grass Roots lay but also all among TOP LOCAL MINISTERS…(but it is just part of the TURF on this LAST DAYS and CURRENT AGE…)

RE HOLDING A FELLOW CHRISTIAN MINISTER DIRECTLY ACCOUNTABLE
when apparently MATTHEW 18:15-17 has been omitted, avoided by themself as well as their leader oversight, as well as Proverbs 1:7, Ephesians 5:21, as well as many NON BLESS ME Bible verses..and very MANY OTHERS…all of which of involve (soberly) RELTATIONSHIPS.

“For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?” I PETER 4:17

ACTUALLY…THE ENTIRE VAST REGION… apart from the GIANT ALL ENCOMPASSING RELIGIOUS LEVIATHAN, ME-CENTERED SPIRIT is actually FUN, very HAPPY and EXCITING…but surely miss feeling safe “fellowshipping with the Holy Spirit tongue talking fellow ministry apostolic saints.”

NOTE: THAT WHEN the writer pens, speaks, every message is directed ONLY to the born again CHRISTIAN community. All various others are welcome to read and pray about what is said. BUT the upfront direct, intended as 5 fold office REALISTIC THOUGHTS are intended only for GOD’S HOUSE.

WHEN I have often enjoyed attending national level Bible, pastors, other conferences (ongoing for 35 prior to deep southwest years) I now have no desire to listen to the main top national, mega strength speaker ..meaning from OUT IN THE GRASS ROOTS /MINISTRY PEWS…for I now never know just who may respectfully introduce themself as a “fellow Senior Pastor” “mature CHRISTIAN”) only to find out that they are simply one of the presumptious cast of characters/self seeking Boanerges, famous Media Christian leader follower gifted, over the top and loud, immature imperceptive (of softer spoken many others) DIVA, gifted swaggerers, dominators,plus the plethora of GIFTED, SUPREMELY TALENTED Bible quoting RIP OFF (T.A.G.)ARTISTS. EACH with plenty of “product” always on hand to sell.

YET, I will listen via ONLINE to the TOP LEADERS STILL as I am NOT accusing or placing blame on them for what THEIR FOLLOWERS,any who trade on what is THEIR GOOD NAME by claiming to represent each of them by saying that they are “UNDER” the famous leader, TV preacher, bishop, apostle, etc…as they do out in the amongst many in audience and in ministry fellowships. (and in many USA states)

WHEN the writer was newly arrived in the deep southwest foreign senior ministry in pioneering grass roots, lay of the land, the non-naive she was still amazed at the GREAT GOOD grass roots doctrines which were USED for leadership self serving and self protective, convenient avoidance and many other noticably SELF SERVING type of blame shifting, ducking avoiding being held accountible type things.

The SHE noticed how nimble they were who ripped her off, how polished as well as how deftly they could twist Holy Bible for each of their own self serving purposes.

MAINLY…

1. RELATIONSHIPS were not valued nor respected but often used and/or minister leader avoided

2. AMONG GOD’S 5 FOLD OFFICES (region wide)barely discernible, if there is ANY ABIDING HOLY FEAR PROVERBS 1:7, MAINLY PROVERBS 2:1-5

3. ON THE OTHER HAND, there is great, HURRIED, SUPER BUSY ministry convenient avoiding,accuser blame shifting and using formula and ministry preferred stereotypes in place of , to set them selves ministry apart from interacting in REAL RELATIONSHIP

CURIOUS. SO WHAT was in each one of their MINISTRY DOCTRINES which allowed them to DO THAT type of thing?? The writer OFTEN has remarked and wondered.

(Evidently I Samuel 15:23 “For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry”.)

THIS IS WHAT FIRST STARTED TO SURFACE after repeated TASTES of deep southwest doctrinal produced so called twisted FRUIT:

1. WHEN ONE IS NOT BACK UNDER the OLD TESTAMENT LEVITICAL LAW …

2. AND WHEN ONE HAS “JESUS FULFILLED THE LAW” COMPLETE FREEDOM…..

3. YET WHEN ONE STATES (upon being confronted for appropriating ministry valuable needed big items, yet repeatedly hides,avoids, ducks being politely MATTHEW 18:15-17 one to one up front confronted) “YOU are not acting SWEET like BABY JESUS”..

and “YOU ARE SO MEAN” because “I AM THE RIGHTEOUSNESS IN GOD IN CHRIST JESUS.”

THEREFORE following this particular most surprising ELITE MINISTRY incidence, I want in compliance to MATTHEW 18:15-17 directly to 3 levels of their national organization oversight..only to be 3 times avoided,blocked and fully stopped from being able to yield to apostolic MATTHEW 18:15-17.

Plus the over all air protected back against the writer and/or most likely ANY BODY who would dare try to HOLD THEM DIRECTLY ACCOUNTABLE..much less attempt to try to confront THEM..was “WE believe that YOU are ONLY just one more divisive contentious strife maker…who won’t obey the BIBLE by “not unconditionally FORGIVING implied LIKE (OUR OWN VERSION) OF SWEET BABY JESUS”

Hence, after repeatedly inquiring from the LORD is when HE led me to more and more NOBLE BEREAN BIBLE DOCTRINE but also MINISTRY TRUE SPIRITUAL FRUIT ongoing STUDY and I first allowed HIM to fruit inspect ME and invite each Set Apart Reader to do that also.

PS SUPER FOR JUDGING ONGOING, INTERACTIVE ALL RELATIONSHIP PURE LEADER, LAY, LIFE FRUIT: JAMES 3:17 “The wisdom that comes from above is first of all PURE, PEACEABLE, EASILY ENTREATED, FULL OF MERCY and GOOD (GAL 5:23) non twisted real life FRUITS, without PARTIALITY and without HYPOCRISY” (Please NOTE that the leader writer fully attempts to model apostolic JAMES 3:17 both on an off the oracle giver’s BLOG, PODIUM, LIVESTREAM TV..

** IMPLIED meaning that SWEET BABY JESUS would never grow up to a MAN and toss over a few temple mammon chasers ministry tables by UP FRONT CONFRONTING

** IMPLIED meaning that SWEET BABY JESUS has given them (greasy)GRACE to fully enable, to accept, to TOLERATE, in order to rationalize that ROBBING a fellow HUMAN REAL LIFE PERSON (not to forget, peer, born again servant senior minister,an elder, a Mother in the things of God)…and that GRACE has entitled THEM to steal yet ALSO TO to duck /avoid yielding, and submitting to GOD’S WHOLE BIBLE COUNSEL (meaning they regard themselves ABOVE selective omitted, relationship , fear of the Lord parts of GOD’S HOLY WORD..

**IMPLIED meaning LEADER JESUS CHRIST would put down A HUMAN RELATIONSHIP, A fellow HUMAN BEING so that HE could achieve GAIN, self BETTERMENT while USING, ABUSING, AVOIDING another RELATIONSHIP/HUMAN PERSON, FELLOW CHRIST FOLLOWER, etc….thereby IMPLYING (SO UN CHRIST LIKE??) that “NO BODY one else matters only ME and ME getting what I want, even at YOUR leader expense (dehumanizing, sheer disrespect of another God made person Psalm 139

***IMPLIED MINISTRY DEMAS(S) in what must only be viewed as a TINY EXAMPLE of what GOD evidently sees having been done many COUNTLESS area “chief minister’ times.
The walk in the office of the prophet servant apostolic writer experienced setbacks 3 different due to the time, money, and ENERGY that it took to be repeatedly stonewalled and angrily accused of being MEAN when the mature ministry was only attempting to fully submit to God’s Holy WORD: to save the RELATIONSHIP which is much more eternal value than EQUIPMENT.

AND each of these sadly involved mature aged “big Christians”… and each was for this nonaccusative, yet clearly up front, writer…a DEMAS DIRE SITUATION:…”For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed** unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia.(**PS WONDER if Demas really “departed” hauling off a PIANO?)

ALSO, on top of this..IN complete accordance to submitting to apostolic MATTHEW 18:15-17 (where is says FIRST YOU go to up front ONE TO ONE respectfully confront BUT if they refuse (avoid, duck,attempt to hide.) Then YOU are to go get another to help YOU confront them. AND THIS was the most surprising least PLEASANT repeated discovery.

SO as each one of these had to (presumably ,logically) Bible answer to higher up COVERING I (church top leader, top of professional senior ministry peer group)after ONE TO ONE had (abiding by) MATTHEW 18:15 dismally avoided..the SENIOR MINISTRY CAUCASIAN SHE LEADER, Servant leader, attempted to go to each of their (later perceived as bearing the fruit of ROMAN PATRICIANISM) “WESTERN EUROPEAN ACCOMPLISHED MALE BASTIEN” supreme oversight.(Please note, due to the writer’s own RESPECTFUl, KIND LOVING W.E. Father, who raised her and her sister liberated in CHRIST…she had not KNOWN so many of God’s people were enslaved under the LAW…as well as continually bowing and scraping to ELEVATED ROMAN (NOT ALL BAD!!) ARISTOCRATIC (gifted, surely well intended )PATRICIANS. AND NEITHER was her FATHER nor any extended FAMILY MEMBERS servant leader apostolic “CHAUVINISTS” much less disrespectful BIG TIME MANTLED MISOGYNISTS…and prior to the writer HER”S RELOCATION she did not even really think about ANTI FEMALE MINISTRY BIG LEADER ANTI LEADER WOMAN PARTICIAN BIG BIAS.

She had prior to all that doctrinally raised the DEEP INJUSTICE prior flag re taking a up front stand against ALL FORMS OF RACISM, perhaps against BIG I’S and LITTLE YOU’s respecter of persons all levels of 5 fold office ministry (I dare any reader to locate me every Bible studying ROMAN PATRICIANISM, MINISTRY BIAS, ANTI FEMALE “WE’RE ALWAYS RIGHT” SENIOR MINISTRY CHAUVINISM prior to the relocation but then following many attempts to CONNECT with “5 fold office CHAUVINISM (oops pardon me…professing to be CHARISMATIC ministry)…so I guest I began NOBLE BEREAN the spiritual doctrinal under loving waters starting, perhaps, about 2008!!

BECAUSE THE SHE KNOWS THE TURF: Thus ….For the Wanting to be Avoidant (blaming/accusing, false perceiving the far off WRITER) as possibly “having made bitter roots judgements’ thereby meaning “The FEMALE WRITER is offended, and has the sin of UNFORGIVENESS” so that NOW I can (rationalize) not paying attention to any of the above and now I can go back on MY OWN MERRY WAY! (Prime example of THOUGHT ongoing in many major authority loveless, even some lawless, presumptive ministry grass roots CHRISTIAN subgroups._

BACK ON MAIN TRACK….

FINE EXAMPLES: ONE of them (associate man minister) at first jumped at the chance to help me confront one of there MALE members…for he at FIRST thought I was a HE senior ministry. WHEN that did not prove to be TRUE..he and all of them proceeded to avoid me, the (perceived less than ?) SINGLE OUTER COURT EARTH SUIDED ” WHITE HUMAN HER” by blocking me from any point of human contact, using their bureaucratic organization to hinder, to block and to put up a big stone wall.

THEREFORE the QUESTION COMES:
1. IF one is NOT BACK UNDER THE OT LEVITICAL LAW

1. IF one now has UNLIMITED GRANTED JESUS GRACE

2. HOW DOES HOLDING ANOTHER DIRECTLY ACCOUNTABLE, BOTH YIELDING TO SUBMIT TO MATTHEW 18:15-17, ACTUALLY PLAY IN?

WHEN the amazed senior leader encountered what she regarded as an VERY UNUSUAL meaning viewed as SIGNIFICANT HIGH AREA NUMBERS of avoiding MATTHEW 18:15-15 cunning, sly 40ish-50ish mature age bracket, clear DEMAS’ES..then the office of God’s prophet proceeded to kick in.

It was if the Lord was saying, “My prophet Elijah went out alone on assignment. He upfront confronted 450 false prophets. But in this entire vast region, there are certainly MANY MORE than 450 false prophets….but I mean NOT INCLUDING ANY NON CHRIST FOLLOWERS!”

I then told the Lord, I could completely relate and understand!

Prior to this, I had already been given an open vision of the level of grass roots minister in the same “kinds” of big Bible Quoting, Big Chiefs All, no servant leader Indians, deep southwest metropolitan vast region (grass roots mainly) 5 fold office senior/rising ministry. The VISION was that of a giant toddler, about aged 2 crawling on all fours, while dressed in stinky Pampers.
(Apostolically all of this has made me have FEAR for the HUMAN PERSONS who now claim THEY represent JESUS CHRIST..who give off FAULTY FLAKEY, LICENTIOUS CON ARTIST SUPERIOR SYNTHETIC POINTLESS FRUIT….as in MANY could actually be MISSING OUT if they are not “living the Real Deal Life” before the LORD (as non legalistically found in the NEW TESTAMENT) SELAH.”

ARE THEY AND ARE YOU AND AM I “TRULY READY” by being ORGANIC (devoid of all leader human mixture) for the Soon Return of the LORD JESUS CHRIST?
I submit that to you as a wise hearted true reader..for PRAYER and SELAH.

ASIDE: Let us each carve out time to re-read the GOSPELS: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John but minus commentary, preconceive ideas. EXAMINE JESUS CHRIST in Ministry, real LIFE regards with each one of his RELATIONSHIPS.

ONE ENORMOUS OTHER TRUE REASON: Many of these represent the only CHRISTIAN to many other internationals, young believers, nonbelievers, which may or may not include liberal democrats,gay community, agnostic, and foreign religions, new age, Buddhist and the great many undecided.

NOTE…..THIS implies GOOD LOVING, 100 PERCENT TRUE, AUTHENTIC 5 FOLD OFFICES, AND ANY BORN AGAIN BELIEVER can be, will be but SHOULD NOT BE lumped in by various humans as BORN AGAIN PASTOR, MINISTRY BASIC (NOW MEDIA ENHANCED) NEGATIVE STEREOTYPE.

I TELL ALL OF YOU that had I not had a true clear ORGANIC inner portrait of what/who a TRUE CHRISTIAN REALLY WAS and what A REAL SENIOR OFFICE MINISTER actually purely was (meaning BEFORE relocating to the PROFESSIONAL WE ARE BORN AGAIN DEEP SOUTH) (coming from perceiving, interacting with my own APOSTOLIC SR PASTOR FATHER, very many IFFM BOARD MEMBERS and MANY UP AND DOWN THE EAST COAST (BLACK AND WESTERN EUROPEAN DESCENT) mighty pastors…after what this writer has experienced way down here (plus ministry chauvinism for HER FIRST TIME EVER!!)..this usually laid back, tame, prim and very proper overseer chief apostle, prophet, pastor, teacher and evangelist (OFFICES) now might have NEVER wanted to go NEAR any born again CHURCh must less acknowledge CHRIST as “PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR.”

AND the words of Indian leader Mohatma Ghandi continually have echoed in the writers not narrow mind, for he said, “I might have become a CHRISTIAN had it none been for so many of His followers!” AND I FULLY UNDERSTAND AND CAN NOW RELATE.

SAMPLE OF HOW FOLLOWING CHRIST’S GRASS ROOTS LEADING CAN LEAD ONE TO AMAZING DIVERSE PEOPLE:

ONE of the GAY COMMUNITY applied for a transcribing job a few years ago. I asked him if he was a Christian. He replied, “I USED TO BE” when I asked him why he had quit he shared a horrific but true story. While he was in a Catholic high school, the priest began to rape him. This went on for years. Finally he told his father, who was very wealthy and involved in upper Catholic leadership. Well, this “CHRISTIAN” father then also began to RAPE HIM.

Following all of this the writer left his family and turned to the unconditional acceptance of the homosexuals, where he did many nice things for the Aids patients. He and his partner then moved from living in San Fransisco to DFW..so that the partner could take care of his parents.. After relocating, they decided to build their dream house.

Then he told me how a “praying born again on fire CHRISTIAN “ contractor, then took their hard earned money and they could not get it back. She said that she would “be praying for them.”

When the gay community human went to work, born again Christians would leave tract on his desk. NO HUMAN RELATIONSHIP RESPECT..just TRACKS.

SO then he concluded by saying, THAT IS WHY I am no longer a CHRISTIAN.”

BUT if I could say anything to any “BORN AGAIN MINISTER” is that THIS is the exact reason WHY so many are not NOT in ANY TYPE OF “CHRISTIAN” born again CHURCH. Also WHY upping our anti to focus more on all pure hearted RELATIONSHIPS than BLESSING,PERCEIVED SUCCESS,MAKING MONEY and ACHIEVEMENT is now NEEDED.

AND I concur that when 2 TIMOTHY 3:1-5 CHRIST FOLLOWING is now acceptable and appears to be a GROWING LEADER NORM in some “Leadership CIRCLES” then I to join with ALL of the MANY OTHERS who have simply submitted to God’s COMMAND (in 2 Timothy 3:1-5” we only “ FROM SUCH TURNED AWAY.”

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“He, (leader)She, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.” Proverbs 29:29

NOW BACK TO SUBMIT (open ended):
1. IF God has given us NEW FREE GRACE “just as if I had never sinned”

1. IF a ministry/born again person appropriates something that is not his/hers and runs from being confronted, hides and accuses the one from whom they have stolen…then WHAT is TRUE GRACE and what is LICENTIOUS GREASY GRACE?

3. AND submitting for all who employ GREASY GRACE to rationalize ripping many similar others off..cunning,sly, into manipulation…then we submit to you that GOD send you one more warning..but then one day God will move using NEW TESTAMENT BIBLE APPLICATION:

1. ACTS 5:1-11 THE DAYS OF ANANIAS AND SAPPHIRA

WHICH I have felt strongly impressed by the LORD were about to return..if the days have not already begun…

SUBMITTING ON OPEN ENDED SELAH

AND WHEN IT ALL HIT’S THE END TIME FAN..
Tt won’t be about PLEASING MAN.
It’ll ALL BE FOR GOD ALONE…
Whether what we do/who we purely are…
Is done up on STAGE
Or HOME ALL ALONE.

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